Ha ha, nice grammar yourself.

And in criticizing the Kansas public school system you were undoubtedly backing the Missouri public school system which is anything but amazing.

I would have loved to see how the dual would have gone if we had people like Taplin, Grater, Wiscombe, Wall, Baldridge, Tucker/Younkin...I think it would have been a much better dual(not saying that it wasn't) and much closer out come

You know,I guess when you get your tail kicked, you've really got to reach for something to gripe about. Here's what I'm hearing:

1) "Those guys over there that just kicked the crap out of us didn't shake hands very well! BAD FORM!!"

2) "That 160 pounder was faking an injury!" Did anyone notice how he was dominating before he got hurt, and how tentative he was after it? One line of reasoning on here has been, "If he was hurt so bad, why didn't he quit wrestling?" Oh, I don't know, maybe he has a little pride? Ever hear of that? He got up the 2nd time and insisted he continue, because he saw his coaches were about to throw in the towel for him. He obviously was not 100%. I doubt if any wrestler from either side would willingly injury default.

3) "Our guys can't win with the rules the way they are, so let's change the rules!" I think the rules are 50 miles from the metro for MO, and 75 from the metro for KS. Here in Missouri, we could go over to St. Louis and pick up some pretty good wrestlers, too, but that's not how it works.

Hey, Missouri's just having a good run, right now. Deal with it. Every dog has its day.

whether ks had taplin/wiscombe/grater or not, results would have been the same against grayson/simpson/moore/caputo/moore ... no difference at all.

Are you saying Brandon Simpson would have beat Ross Taplin? Because if you are that is probably the most stupid post I've ever read on this forum, and I've been on here for 4 years now.

i really dont think that Simpson could beat Taplin with a healthy shoulder, let alone a hurt one. How about instead of gabbing back and forth about bad refs and fake injuries, we wait until senior nationals. if the kids from both states take care of business early in the tournament, they will meet up and we can see who beats who.

What about constructive criticism in making the tournament BETTER? A lot in this post reads like a jr. high school dance gone wrong. Come on...name-calling??? Pffffft. It's an honor to be selected and insinuating anything less or making the excuse the "best" weren't selected disgraces those that competed and, quite frankly, doesn't encourage those selected next year to want to go.

simpson ain't going to northern ioa for nothing nd don't judge him on one match ... he'd beat taplin too.

Having worked and traveled both Kansas and Missouri, I can assure you Kansas is not hickville compared to Missouri. It is not just Southern Missouri that is badly behind times. Especially in government Missouri is presently doing what Ks did back in the dark ages some 20 years ago. Technology, Tolerance, ethics you name it Kansas far surpasses Missouri and is considerably more up to date.

A bit of history on Brandon Simpson. He has a 126-6 career record and is a 3-time State Champ.

In 2003 he was the Cadet Greco National Champ in Fargo. And in the same year he placed 3rd in Freestyle. He also placed 3rd in the Brute Adidas Nationals

In 2004 he placed 3rd at the FILA Cadets in Greco. He also was the Southern Plains champ in Freestyle.

Maybe they have crossed paths before or been in the same bracket. Ross Taplin is a good wrestler himself but his National scene accomplishments might be slightly less. Either way, I say that a post stating it would be a good match, is far from stupid.

Please explain what MO govt is doing that is, well, so bad. So far the new governor has trimmed the massive amount of pork and is clearing out the excessive bureaucracy. If that is taking us back in the "dark ages", then so be it. And don't preach to us about tolerance and ethics. I have 2 words for you....Phil Kline. Technology? What are you talking about?

In fairness, having spent a good deal of time working in Missouri over the last decade, Missouri would have to come FORWARD to the dark ages not back. Have you guys ever heard of road contractors?

To those of you who think we could sport a better Kansas team if we went further away and win. I'm sorry to tell you that you're wrong. Ross Taplin lost to Brandon Simpson this summer in dual meet between an all-star Kansas team that had Cornejo, Baldridge, Northern, Perez, Altman, Cisper, Shumate, Elliott, Fisher, Sonderegger, etc. The dual tournment featured a number of teams from Missouri---Mo West/Team ST. Louis/etc. So the Missouri studs were broken up. Team Kansas placed third.

Why aren't we talking about wrestling? I thought this web site was for wrestling, not about whom has done what in government.

plus, Kansas has better roads.

ilander27

Here is a concept for you it is called reading comprehension. And, I think the word your looking for is impression, and not pressure. Maybe try reading the post a little closer before you make a knee-jerk comment. I believe I said, if we put our best against their best , and neither state sends all of their best wrestlers to this event. I know this for a fact because I have been one of the coaches at this event before and several of my wrestlers have competed in this event, and they were not the best the state had to offer. So, no it is not a true measuring stick for either state’s wrestling programs, so your pressure (impression) is wrong! Neither team is a true reflection of the their state’s prospective programs.

Nigel

No use arguing with ilander27 because he has absolutely no grasp of Kansas wrestling. I might add he is just plain nuts if he thinks the outcome wouldn’t be different with Ross in the lineup.

If you want to use a freestyle dual as an example. Then I suggest you look at the JR. Duals last year. Kansas beat Missouri head to head in greco, and finished higher in both freestyle and greco at the national duel's in Oklahoma. This is a better example of each state's best wrestlers.

Gutwrench,
I also witnessed Taplin beat Simpson in a folkstyle match at the Brute adidas nationals. Just because he beat him once doesn't mean he will beat him again. Was this dual a freestyle dual? Or was it a Folkstyle dual?

Wiscombe, you must have been hallucinating at Brute last year. At Brute Taplin beat Brester not Simpson in the finals. Simpson was on the other side of the bracket and took third. Simpson is 1-0 over Taplin and who really cares? No need to make stuff up. Click on this site and see for yourself.

http://www.nwimag.com/brute/2004/junior/160.htm