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Re: Unfortunate outcome [Re: WillyM] #140654 02/23/09 11:40 PM
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Maybe letting the kids sort it out on the mat is the wrong way to do it. Maybe we should adopt a method like the BSC they always get it right.


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Re: Unfortunate outcome [Re: dagwood] #140704 02/24/09 02:34 AM
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Originally Posted By: dagwood
Maybe letting the kids sort it out on the mat is the wrong way to do it. Maybe we should adopt a method like the BSC they always get it right.


Hahaha! No. But really, that's hilarious.

Re: Unfortunate outcome [Re: Carmen] #140747 02/24/09 05:27 AM
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I was shocked that Leupol didn't make it. Whether or not he made it (or didn't make it in this case), to me does not take away what kind of wrestler he is (or person for that matter). I do not know him personally but did watch him wrestle several times.

I am going to advocate for the "not worthy" kids that did make it to state. My son has wrestled since he was four and he has never been to state. He is a three sport person, his weakest being wrestling. He has done it year after year because it was expected of him (he is a cousin to the Zlatnik boys). He started this year out slow, which I expected because he chose to work on off season baseball during the winter instead of wrestling kids the last 2 years. He has slowly gotten better. He wrestled as good as I have ever seen him wrestle this past weekend. Maybe he was in a "weaker" regional (Burlington), but he did still have to win 4 to get 3rd. I know he's not the best wrestler out there, but he did work hard this year and he has put in his time in. When he was in kids he was always in a tough district, and he would always come in 5th. We would watch his friends at state and see the boys that he beat all year round compete. We had to explain to him that this was the hand he was dealt and that one day, it would pay off. So please, those asking whether kids with sub-par records should get to go to state, at least give them some respect. They did have to win to get there.

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Re: Unfortunate outcome [Re: springboard] #140750 02/24/09 11:03 AM
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The goal of the State Championship Series is to determine the state champion and no other place. There are no challenges for second. There is no what if's... The man who wins state is the best and will not have lost at the tournament. Yeah its sucks that Meige sent some crappy wrestling but at the end of the day that only matters if you are one of those guys who are just satisfied for qualifying. The eventual champion will win 4 consecutive matches at the State Tournament.

Good Luck to all the state qualifier as they ALL EARNED their way there one way or another... The Championship will be determined on the mat in Wichita and I will be there to watch!!!


Its not over yet...
Re: Unfortunate outcome [Re: TRAVIUS.com] #140757 02/24/09 11:36 AM
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I was at the BM Regional. I was also at the Spring Hill 4A Regional on Friday afternoon. Ithink the 1 and 2 placers at BM are overall as good as the 1 and 2 placers at all other regionals--6A, 5A, 4A, 321A. How do I come to this conclusion. By looking at the KWCA and Chief Renegades ranking sheets, the B/L Bobcat Classic results, some other tourney results.

What was weak at BM was the bracket depth. 35 opening byes, and yes there are wrestlers going to state who did not win a match that day.


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Re: Unfortunate outcome [Re: WillyM] #140851 02/24/09 06:04 PM
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I am not in anyway trying to dis-respect anyone here. I am just stating that there is a problem with the system if a kid only has to show up and wrestle to make it to state. if a kid goes 0-10 and wins 3 matches at the regional then great. On the other hand if he is 2-8 and goes 1-2 and makes it to state then yes I think there is an obvious problem there.


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Re: Unfortunate outcome [Re: bockman] #140861 02/24/09 06:56 PM
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What do you think about a kid who injury defaults in the semi's because, not do to a new injury, because he didn't want to wrestle the person in the semi's then goes to the next match on the backside and is able to win 1-0 to make it to state....














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Re: Unfortunate outcome [Re: wrestlingparents] #140897 02/24/09 10:14 PM
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the worst is when a kid loses a match by an illegal slam and the next day wins the state championship. i think it was in 1991 or 1992. tray schell lost due to this. the kid he lost to supposedly was hurt. then wrestled in the finals the next day and won. he was losing that match to schell easily. strange things happen but hey i really think if your hurt then fine. if not grow some and finish the match and take your butt whippin like a man and come through the back door. i sure hope coaches do not tell the kids to lay there and act like they are hurt on something like that to. i have only heard about that but never have seen it yet.


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Re: Unfortunate outcome [Re: bockman] #140899 02/24/09 10:36 PM
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I remember that!!! I remember the kids name, but probably no reason to bring it up 16-17 years later. wink


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Re: Unfortunate outcome [Re: McDonald Boys] #140920 02/25/09 01:00 AM
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I had to weigh in on this one.

1. 6A and 5A are too watered down. It's too easy to make it to state when more than 50% of the kids wrestle go to state, its way to easy. So what if you're a state qualifier, it really doesn't mean that much.

2. Even with 64 schools in class 4A, its not that difficult to make it to state. A lot tougher than 5A and 6A, but still not that great.

3. If a kid goes through the season with one loss, and can't get at least fourth in a 16 man bracket at regionals, proabably means he had a cupcake schedule or he choked.

4. In most states, if you're a state qualifer means you've done something. I've lived around the midwest and lived in Ohio for a while where my son wrestled. To qualify for state, he had to place in the top 4 of his district which had 47 schools in it.
He one his first 5 matches in the state series, but then ran into some tough competion and lost his next two. He wrestled to the best of his ability, but would have to of one two more matches to make state. My point is it's tougher to qualify for state in Ohio than to place in state in Kansas. I say to the 4A kid who didn't qualify, it's tough compared to 6A. But theres kids out there with tougher deals. You didn't cease the moment.

5. I saw the Montana method mentioned. I'm recommending the Ohio format. Ohio has about 600 schools, and they divide there state into 3 different classes of equal schools.

Ohio format Solution: Combine 6A and 5A (I saw mentioned by other posters) then you have 3 equal classes. Maybe 123A has a little more or less. Yea, maybe the big class would be tougher than 4A but maybe not. The big class in Ohio is generally tougher, buy the middle class is very competetive with them. People love it there.


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Re: Unfortunate outcome [Re: Wrestlin Scholar] #140956 02/25/09 02:49 AM
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hey Matt shut up. you make me feel old with 16-17 years later. lol there goes your chance of going fishing with me this summer.


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Re: Unfortunate outcome [Re: bockman] #140962 02/25/09 02:52 AM
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oh hell lets just combine 4,5 and 6a then have 1,2, and 3a together. saves money that way and makes it worth while to say your the best of the big school and small school.


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Re: Unfortunate outcome [Re: bockman] #140994 02/25/09 01:13 PM
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Take a bow "Holton Kid" you are an amazing wrestler. You have a bright wrestling future.

Re: Unfortunate outcome [Re: bockman] #140995 02/25/09 01:14 PM
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Take a bow "Holton Kid" you are an amazing wrestler. You have a bright wrestling future.

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