When: March 14, 2010

Where: Smokey Valley High School

Who: All Kansas Resident 6th, 7th, and 8th Graders who will not turn 16 during 2010. Must bring a copy of your birth certificate and grade card along with completed tournament application form.

Weights: 75, 80, 85, 90, 95, 100, 105, 110, 115, 120, 125, 130, 135, 140, 145, 152, 160, 171, 189, 250

Weigh in: Saturday evening and Sunday morning. (Exact times will be announced later, NO ALLOWANCE!!)

Entry Fee: $20

Why: We will wrestle out to 6th place with a true second place match if necessary. Top 4 will be invited to represent Kansas on one of four teams at the 2010 Middle School National Duals. Commitment will be required at the conclusion of the tournament.

*** Alternates will be selected by a committee to be announced early 2010.

Will,

You doing the challenge for 2nd like OK then. That would be very cool. Sounds awesome. Keep us posted. Troy

Yes, if 3rd did not wrestle 2nd in an earlier round of the tournament then he may challenge 2nd. Winner will get 2nd loser gets 3rd. All challenge matches will be wrestled at the conclusion of finals or at least 30 minutes after the wrestler's last match.

Nice start on developing Middle School Duals!
Appreciate the 2nd place opportunity as well for these young men.

Why not allow them to challenge for fourth also if they haven't wrestled!! Division II does this at Regionals I know --

I don't know if we allowed 5th wrestle 4th we would need to step back and evaluate that and it might take 3 years or more to do that study.

As for this tourny I think it's the best idea to come out of kansas in a long time.

Wow. A fantastic way to strengthen our foundation of future high school wrestlers! All Middle Schoolers better circle that March 14th date! What a great experience it will be to EARN your way on the national teams. The MS Duals have officially been elevated along side the SB, Cadet and Juniors!

I applaud Will and Smokey Valley High School!

Nice central location, great way to decide who is truly the top middle schoolers in the State. This will be a great start to developing our dual teams. Can't wait for this one!

High Schoolers your next!!!

Fantastic Job Will! This is going to be a great event.

is this not the same weekend as sub-district

It's on Sunday. Subs is on Saturday and yes they would be the same weekend. 6U state is on the same weekend as a qualifier as was the KS hardluck tournamment Mark Stanley put on I believe it was on the same weekend as Districts last year. More opportunities for kids to wrestle is a good thing.

Any chance sub-district weigh ins will count towards the MS tourney?

Mr. William for President in 2012!

The weight classes are different than those utilized by our subs. We are discussing possible satellite weigh-ins at the subs to be conducted that eveing, the same time as the on-site weigh in. We will have to have cooperation from the sub district wrestling tournament directors. We want the weigh-ins to be fully credible but yet convenient.

I have a notebook on my desk, MSND Ideas for Improvement!, which I would love to fill with ideas so please email me, post or pm me.

Thanks!

Will,

This is a great idea. Let me know what you need and we will help. I thought for sure you would use this event to try out the matside weigh in concept so we could learn from it. I also support the idea of remote weigh in sites.

Shawn

i really wish wrestling for 2nd was at all the tournaments

Honestly, I hate the wrestle back but it is the only way to determine who should be on what team.

When you go to the Tulsa Nationals and they make this HUGE deal out of being in the finals. Then you lose by 1 or in OT and 30 minutes later you have to wrestle a guy who finished 3rd some time before that. He is excited and the runner up is down and out. I would venture to say that 2nd loses 75% of the time. Psychologically it is not a level playing field. If nothing else it is a character builder!

I think the challenge for 2nd is a good way to give you atrue 2nd place.At Tulsa all the finals for each weight are wrestled at the same time,they dont start the next weight until the previous weight class finish....Having said that,I think challenge backs are good if you re not in them.

I totally agree with one exception, I think the percentage from the psychological factor could be higher. I don't think I ever coached a kid that was challenged for 2nd that one, maybe once, and I know all but one kid won the challenge for 2nd.

All we out here ask is that you have a weigh in out here so it is convenient to the hotbed of middle school wrestling in kansas.