Chief has a point. And anyone that wants to complain about PRESEASON RANKINGS, calm down and realize that these are preseason evaluations.

Amen to that. Prove it on the mat boys/men. Prove Chief that he is 'wrong'. He is just 'the wizard behind the green curtain' having some fun! ;-)

Chief, what is the controversy in that match for those of us that dont know? Also Beasley had a hurt knee the second day of the state tourny that might have something to do with his 6 place finish, not to make excuses for the kid but...

All those that saw that match and were paying attention at the end know the details. Both Beasley and Smith are very close. No disrespect to Cody. They should see each other early at the Campus Duals!

PRE-SEASON RANKINGS:

1. Emporia - 5A
2. Andale - 4A
3. Derby - 6A
4. Lansing - 5A
5. Clay Center - 4A
6. Valley Center - 4A
7. Andover Central - 5A
8. Colby - 4A
9. Norton - 321A
10. Goddard - 6A

103
1. Bo Pursel - 10 - LS - 5A
2. Zac Gentzler - 9 - AC - 5A
3. Cullen Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
4. Kaleb Bonilla - 11 - GD - 6A
5. Chris Burley - 9 - GB - 5A
6. Bryce Shoemaker - 9 - BAL - 4A
7. Clay Mulligan - 10 - SC - 4A
8. Troy Crane - 10 - BUH - 4A
9. Regis Weiss III - 9 - RUS - 4A
10. Dustin Reed - 9 - CB - 4A


112
1. Isaac Ruiz - 12 - JC - 6A
2. Dalton Miller - 12 - WC - 6A
3. Bo Newport - 11 - PV - 4A
4. Nathan Reed - 12 - CB - 4A
5. Trevor Boyer - 12 - MV - 5A
6. Caleb Seaton - 11 - BS - 5A
7. Aaron Seybold - 10 - PT - 5A
8. Austin Hood - 10 - LOU - 4A
9. Colby Whitten - 11 - MZ - 6A
10. Dylan Schumacher - 10 - TMP - 321A


119
1. Blaine Smith - 12 - SS - 5A
2. Cody Beasley - 11 - WC - 6A
3. Dane Norris - 11 - MH - 6A
4. Adrian Salas - 12 - LB - 5A
5. Colby Watters - 10 - ARK - 5A
6. Tre Humphrey - 11 - SMS - 6A
7. Robbie Hines - 11 - ULY - 4A
8. Tim Prescott - 10 - MCP - 5A
9. Hunter Stalford - 10 - CV - 321A
10. Tim Wrestler - 11 - CH - 4A


125
1. Garrett Jones - 12 - ARK - 5A
2. Zac Sparr - 12 - RH - 4A
3. Jake Gentzler - 11 - AC - 5A
4. Steven Plott - 12 - SS - 5A
5. Symon Seaton - 11 - BL - 4A
6. Logan Singular - 12 - CC - 4A
7. Zach Hoehn - 11 - WEL - 321A
8. Troy Bainter - 11 - NO - 321A
9. Uylesses DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
10. Riley Soward - 10 - HAL - 321A


130
1. Colt Rogers - 12 - SC - 321A
2. Daniel DeShazer - 11 - WH - 6A
3. Taylor Moeder - 11 - SJA - 4A
4. Alex Bontz - 10 - AC - 5A
5. Kyle Johnson - 11 - COL - 4A
6. Tyson Schmidtberger - 12 - RUS - 4A
7. Mario Corado - 11 - PIT - 5A
8. Colton Eck - 11 - AN - 4A
9. Ky Biddle - 10 - BC - 321A
10. Billy Broeckelman - 11 - NO - 321A


135
1. Chase Nitcher - 12 - VC - 4A
2. Danny Floyd - 12 - OS - 321A
3. Spencer Blew - 11 - LS - 5A
4. Zack Tanenbaum - 11 - BVN - 6A
5. Jace Campbell - 12 - OA - 321A
6. Kash Biddle - 12 - ARK - 5A
7. Brandon Charbonneau - 10 - EMP - 5A
8. Trey Houlden - 11 - GD - 6A
9. Hunter Edwards - 12 - DC - 6A
10. Travis Reinhart - 11 - DB - 6A


140
1. Tyler Anderson - 12 - CC - 4A
2. Bryce Hood - 12 - LOU - 4A
3. Derrick Weller - 12 - PI - 4A
4. Cody Wildin - 12 - MAR - 321A
5. Brent Koehn - 10 - PIT - 5A
6. Vance Oliver - 12 - WIN - 5A
7. Bradley Little - 11 - DB - 6A
8. BT O'Hara - 11 - COL - 4A
9. Courtney Strauss - 11 - AB - 4A
10. Micah Flora-Swick - 12 - GE - 5A


145
1. Ryne Cokeley - 11 - SJA - 4A
2. Joey Dozier - 12 - GC - 6A
3. Chase Sanchez - 11 - EMP - 5A
4. Cody Shavlik - 12 - DB - 6A
5. Tyler Davis - 12 - MCP - 5A
6. Connor Middleton - 10 - ONW - 6A
7. Codie Bontz - 12 - AC - 5A
8. Trevor Oliver - 12 - OS - 321A
9. Dakota Hayes - 12 - SC - 4A
10. Kaenon Keiswetter - 12 - NO - 321A


152
1. Jake Walker - 12 - STA - 5A
2. Dylan Penka - 11 - BC - 5A
3. Dillon Charland - 12 - JC - 6A
4. Sean Gaither - 12 - WNW- 6A
5. Trip Hiller - 12 - OS - 6A
6. Sam Son - 10 - CH - 4A
7. Colten Picking - 11 - AB - 4A
8. Cullen Demerest - 12 - LS - 5A
9. Landon Keiswetter - 11 - NO - 321A
10. Josh Rodriguez - 12 - ULY - 4A


160
1. Cade Blair - 12 - VC - 4A
2. John Hambleton - 12 - LC - 4A
3. Reece Wright-Conklin - 10 - LAW - 6A
4. Jake Hattabaugh - 11 - AN - 4A
5. Todd Curtis - 12 - GE - 5A
6. Corey Engstrom - 12 - HOI - 321A
7. Cody Hill - 11 - HUG - 4A
8. Tyler Baughman - 11 - LS - 5A
9. Evon Royal - 12 - JC - 6A
10. Kaid McKenna - 11 - NO - 321A


171
1. Parker Madl - 12 - BV - 6A
2. Benny Armstrong - 12 - AN - 4A
3. Jonathan Truman - 12 - KMC - 5A
4. Chance Davis - 12 - CC - 4A
5. Nick Thibault - 12 - HAL - 321A
6. Devon Keith - 11 - BC - 5A
7. Garrett Hoover - 12 - WIN - 5A
8. Zane Perez - 12 - NO - 321A
9. Ethan Mumaw - 11 - JW - 4A
10. Camron Leupold - 11 - HIA - 4A


189
1. Jace Banner - 12 - DC - 6A
2. David Blazevic - 12 - ON - 6A
3. Zach Grimes - 11 - OZ - 4A
4. Dylon Walker - 12 - EL - 4A
5. Dylan Matheny - 12 - KMC - 5A
6. Nathan Wessell - 11 - LS - 5A
7. Steven Cooksley - 12 - TS - 5A
8. Cole Carpenter - 12 - DB - 6A
9. Dalton Beard - 11 - GD - 6A
10. Chase Kruetzer - 12 - PRT - 4A


215
1. Kyle Caylor - 12 - WNW - 6A
2. Mark Kolmer - 12 - EMP - 5A
3. Taylor Wuthnow - 12 - AB - 4A
4. Nick Pearch - 12 - BV - 6A
5. Gage Knudson - 11 - JC - 6A
6. Josh Hicks - 12 - GD - 6A
7. Titus Hopper - 12 - VC - 4A
8. Taylor Shaffer - 11 - WAM - 4A
9. Adam Weber - 12 - CLB - 4A
10. Eric Mason - 10 - CV - 321A


285
1. Lucas Vincent - 12 - ON - 6A
2. Tank Burns - 12 - COL - 4A
3. BJ Finney - 12 - AN - 4A
4. Lorenzo Serna - 12 - EMP - 5A
5. Trey Page - 12 - WNW - 6A
6. Jared Rice - 12 - PHI - 321A
7. Cody Huffman - 12 - DOU - 321A
8. Dillon Salmans - 11 - HOX - 321A
9. Tyler Gjerstad - 12 - AB - 4A
10. Tylor Woodruff - 10 - GD - 6A

Chief,

How about an overall top 10, regardless of weight class?

I did write an article for Intermat on our Senior class Top 10 and HM.


http://intermatwrestle.com/articles/5477

Chief,
I love to keep an eye on the 215 & 285 classes.
I think this year Eric Mason is going to be your "Wild Card" here.
I hear he worked hard over the summer and that kid just has upset written all over him.
The other one is Tylor Woodruff.
Last year he wrestled 285 and all the time he was under 200. He could of easily went 189 (and I think he did a few times at the 1st of the year when Boaz was hurt) but to get as far as he did for his size is awesome. IMO, If that kid could wrestle his natural weight he would make a much bigger name for himself. But he's taking one for the team I guess!!!

Chief
In the article you wrote for Intermat, do you have them in a certain order???
Is that your top 10 from 1 to 10???

Who is the move in and where is he from?
I think the 125, 130 and 140's in 4A look to be pretty tough weights.

Yes. They are in order.

how do you have wrestlers that have bumped up so much weight ranked so high?

Could you elaborate or give specific examples? David Taylor, St. Paris Graham, OH, moved up from 112 to 135 and was projected as the number one wrestler in the country and finished the season as the NUMBER ONE wrestler in the country. It isn't how much you weigh. If you are a good wrestler you will still be a good wrestler. Cael Sanderson went from 119 to 171 in HS and won state every year. Our own Tyler Caldwell won four state championships starting at 112 and growing to 171.

sorry for the question sir. I was just wondering cuz there are wrestlers up there that have placed higher at state at a higher weight and are still lower ranked. Sorry i guess a stupid question gets a stupid answer.

I did see that, but how about an "All-Grade" Top 10? I can think of at least 1 non-senior that would crack that list.

Yes, I agree that Chief does a great job, I have already stated that. I really do appreciate the time and effort that he puts in. I really do respect his opinion also because I know that he has done his homework. No matter what I think or say about any individuals or weights, that will not change. And yes, everybody with a brain knows that they are "preseason" rankings and that everyone will eventually "prove it on the mat". But no, no one needs to "calm down", you calm down. People that comment are just having fun too with the whole thing and have a right to give opinions, etc. without having to "calm down". Like me. I know that I should just "let it go" but this is just too much fun.

For you Chief, I first say congratulations with your father-in-law's honor. That is really cool. Your wife must be VIP. Also, I appreciate your work with the intermat stuff, thanks for the efforts representing Kansas. And of course, thanks for the All-Class Rankings because you can see that it is very interesting, is great entertainment and is a lot of fun.

I am still at odds though with some of the positions of the ranked individuals and some of the not ranked individuals. Again I state that all of the kids listed at 103-119 are totally legit and deserve recognition. My concern is more with regard to the individuals not listed. I felt that they needed to be recognized also so I threw their names out. I did not really expect Chief to change anything because it is his list after all. Just me throwing their names out gave them some props and now lets see what they can do.

So Chief, publishing their records was not necessary. I was trying to positively recognize them and that negatively recognized them. I do realize that several of the kids I listed will go at 112 or 119 but again I just wanted to give them some recognition. As for those that could go 103, I do not think that they should be measured by their losses from HS last year. I feel that is misleading as most of the wrestlers I am most concerned with were undersized last year at 103 and most of their losses were quality losses as well. Specifically, Calderon, Garcia, Perez and Vieyra. All had "tough" schedules and Garden City has a monster schedule. Additionally though, you can see by the way that you put them that 2009 kids state was the biggest factor you used at 103 and not their HS records.

Chief, you asked for specific criteria and I already gave it to you. I will give it again and be even more specific. If you feel that it is not sufficient to make changes then fine and I will move on and let it work itself out in the wash.

Bonilla should be #2 at 103. Gentzler is totally legit but he won the kids state title at 90 pounds. How do you justify putting him above Bonilla who won the kids state title at 105? Bonilla backed that up with a second place showing at Brute at 105. Badbo already verified his legitimacy. He actually beat Dryden 4 out of 5 though. He also beat Locke last year who placed at 112 at HS state. He beat Hagerty of Blue Springs, Missouri who is a big banger. The previous year, he was second at kids state by one point to Prescott who also placed at 112 at HS state.

Calderon did lose at kids state this year but it was at 100, not 90 or 95. He did beat Burley the last time they wrestled though and it was in the most monster of brackets. Additionally, Calderon beat Mulligan at HS Garden City and so did Garcia so they should both be ahead of him as that is a clear head to head. Vieyra did lose at kids state as well although he lost to Burley 1-0. Vieyra would have been better off not even wrestling at kids state if that is how he would be measured. Calderon, Garcia and Vieyra were very undersized at HS 103 as I stated and so was Perez so again, I feel that their records from HS last year should not carry as much weight as you say they do. Since kids state, Vieyra has continued to wrestle and improve as he did place at Fargo which surely is tougher than kids state. Can you say that about those kids that barely beat him at kids state? I would think that Vieyra would be measured more by that but he did lose at kids state when he had the chance so I guess that I can let that go. Perez also placed at kids state but at 100, not 90 or 95. Are you saying that 100 was not a tough weight, that 90 and 95 were tougher?

Wolfe should be ranked even if he goes 112. He placed at HS state, yes at 103, but he beat A. Hood who is ranked at 112. Both Hoods are indeed legit but that is a clear head to head. I still think that Schumacher could be a little bit higher at 112 but I can let that go. I cannot however let it go with Wrestler at 119. He is a proven placer at HS state 119. He is a multi kids state placer who has beat lots of really good kids over the years some that you have ranked over him. Most of the others listed were at 103 or 112. Wrestler should be higher although he can't be above Hines because he lost to him at HS state.

Some of the freshman listed yes compete nationally and should get some consideration for that but some are ranked just because of where they placed at kids state though and I question that. A couple of freshman that were not listed that actually placed at 100 and not 90 and 95 like the ones you listed I think probably deserve to ranked and that would be Helms and Biddle and I expect big things from them. I can't wait to see who you are talking about being the freshman that will be a wrecking ball on your 112 list. I am licking my lips as I write thinking about who you are refering to. If you were talking about L. Eck, I can certainly understand that. He is huge legit. You may not be talking about him though as I would think he would bigger. Maki is also a freshman who could make big noise in that area. He beat Kriss at kids state so he could probably be in the mix. And what about Haralson? So I am not just a freshman hater. Once again, I just feel that the returners deserve more respect than they are currently being given.

And what about Beasley? You say that his win at kids state is trumped by something else. You obviously use the kids state criteria when ever it suits you. It means something for Gentzler to be kids state champ at 90 but not so much for Bonilla to be kids state champ at 105 or Beasley at 125. You use it to punish Calderon and Vieyra but not Smith. It means something for Burley, Shoemaker and Mulligan to place at kids state but not Perez, Helms and Biddle at a higher weight that Pursel won. And Beasley didn't just beat Smith, he beat Hoehn as well who knocked off C. Eck. Additionally Beasley backed that up with the title at Brute. So sometimes it matters and sometimes not so much. I guess that's called "case by case basis" and I guess that's ok because after all, it is Chief Renegade's list. I guess that I am just giving you a hard time Chief but that's ok too because you obviously have lots of people ready to support you and defend you and your opinion.

Chief, I really do appreciate you responding to my earlier comments in a mature non-offensive way and ask that you continue that practice. Although I am sure that it will be more difficult with each of my responses. Keep up the great work either way. And for the rest of you, let the mud fly. And of course, have a great day!

Actually XG, you made some good points in there. I'll have to grab a large soft drink and read through it slowly! The key issue that you are missing is that the Kids State/HS State comparison is not always the top criteria that I use. Common opponents, moving weights, REFEREE calls, illnesses etc. are a big deal as well as my plain ole opinion from having watched the matches.

About Smith/Beasley. It was not the Kids/HS issue that swayed me. Anyone who saw that match at the end knows the details that changed the outcome.

I'm not offended at all with your post. You wandered a bit but I will take those type of posts anyday over a vague haymaker. You are right about Maki and mentioned the mystery wrecking ball in there too! The passion is appreciated and I'll address the particulars as soon as possible.

I have absolutely no information to back my suspicion, but I would guess the unnamed 112lb'er to be Hunter Harelson(sp?) and if so,yes I would agree that it will only be a short matter of time before he is in the all class top 10.
Coach Lemon, (and this is NOT intended to "sling any mud" and is NOT being said sarcastically), just make a NEW topic. Name it Lemon's Lightweight Top Ten. List it in your order those you feel need recognized. Do the weights of 103, 112, 119 and get it out there for them to be recognized. Every year when Chief puts his rankings up it amazes me that we all act like he is the ONLY one that can publicize a ranking system. Heck, just simply start a new topic and add your own.

Waaaayyyy cooool. I didn't know that. Thanks for the info Will.

Cool list. Thanks Chief. Who were Colt's three losses to?