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Re: Kansas Freestyle/Greco Roman State Tournament [Re: Cokeley] #169582 05/06/10 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted By: Cokeley
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What is the procedure if you are the only one in a weight?


1) Make weight during the weigh in time.
2) Show up at the tournment.
3) Collect medal(s) and go home.

Personally I would like to see Madison Block wrestling with four or five man round robins.
Please do madision block!!! It will make it a MUCH BETTER TOURNAMENT & increase numbers!! people dont want to drive across ks for 1 match or just to get a medal.


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Re: Kansas Freestyle/Greco Roman State Tournament [Re: luellen] #169583 05/06/10 11:21 PM
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I agree....

Re: Kansas Freestyle/Greco Roman State Tournament [Re: lateral drop] #169584 05/06/10 11:42 PM
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How can you tell who's in your weight class/division this early before deadline?

Although Madison Block format might be ideal it's a little late to alter pre-determined formatted guidelines & information within a State Wrestling Tournament.

Reminder: Towel & blood rag. (Although a t-shirt & paper toweling might "get you by."


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Re: Kansas Freestyle/Greco Roman State Tournament [Re: in it to win it] #169587 05/07/10 12:11 AM
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If a kid is the only one in his bracket will he have the option to wrestle up a weight class after weigh-ins close or do they have to make that decision at the time they weigh-in.


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Re: Kansas Freestyle/Greco Roman State Tournament [Re: in it to win it] #169588 05/07/10 12:55 AM
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Originally Posted By: in it to win it
How can you tell who's in your weight class/division this early before deadline?

Although Madison Block format might be ideal it's a little late to alter pre-determined formatted guidelines & information within a State Wrestling Tournament.
the answer to your first question is trackwrestling prereg matrix.

As for your second comment--No its not to late. They have two choices
1. have many wrestlers with no matches or one person to wrestle.
2. do block wrestling & have 4-5 matches for almost all wrestlers.

some parents will complain that their kid would have won state if he didnt have to give up weight. But winning state by making weight or beating one kid is not what my sons or myself are wanting out of this tournament. I would assume many others feel the same way. If any one wants a medal PM me & I will bring some.

It is a little early to decide which way to go, have to see what numbers look like sat morning. I just hope they try to get every wrestler the best experience possible.

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Re: Kansas Freestyle/Greco Roman State Tournament [Re: luellen] #169591 05/07/10 01:53 AM
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Thanks Mike...I'm in total agreement with you this is all participation & opportunity for the kids in learning Olympic style wrestling.

The outliers in the weights would make it difficult upon those closer to the median & mean (in some instances 15 lb difference for a SB vs moving one wt up or down in Bantam or Int. to gain some mat time). Ultimately some criterions such as no more than say 15% wt. difference.....this boat seems to always have a rider when it comes to extremes either way.

Ultimately, FS/GR is so much MORE FUN than Folkstyle! Hopefully some kids/parents just come & watch!


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Re: Kansas Freestyle/Greco Roman State Tournament [Re: in it to win it] #169598 05/07/10 11:52 AM
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luellen,

Personally I agree with you on the block wrestling idea for all the same reasons you posted.

I do not think we can do that because of the Triple Crown award. We don't block the folkstyle and the same thing happens in some weights (not as much because the participation is much greater). It seems to me that we have to keep consistent with the weight classes in order to keep the Triple Crown award consistent and then wrestle exhibition matches for kids that need to get matches.

That is just my thought I may be wrong and would ask the state body folks to comment and give us some guidance.

Shawn Budke

Re: Kansas Freestyle/Greco Roman State Tournament [Re: shawnbudke] #169600 05/07/10 12:12 PM
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I get your point. Wrestlers can voluntarily move up a weight. ALL PARENTS & WRESTLERS NEED TO CHECK THE MATRIX ON TRACKWERSTLING PREREG!!! Then make a decision on what weight to wrestle!! If you dont you may end up in a 2 man best 2 out of 3,or even worse not get a match. You can move your weight on track untill 3 pm today. People are still entering & numbers are looking much better than last night. But many will not get a match if something is not done.

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Re: Kansas Freestyle/Greco Roman State Tournament [Re: shawnbudke] #169604 05/07/10 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted By: shawnbudke

I do not think we can do that because of the Triple Crown award.

The Triple Crown should have no bearing on this decision to block or not. Does it make the award meaningful if a kid walks through a FS/GR bracket?
I would be interested in hearing the executive council's reasoning for not using block weights.


Re: Kansas Freestyle/Greco Roman State Tournament [Re: sportsfan02] #169605 05/07/10 12:51 PM
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They need to let every one know. I agree with sport0


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Re: Kansas Freestyle/Greco Roman State Tournament [Re: luellen] #169607 05/07/10 12:58 PM
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I agree too. need to block it. My son has 4 kids including him, but if you look at the SB division it's pretty bleak. he's a copy of the matrix from 112 on.
112: 3
120: 2
128: 1
136: 1
144: 1
152: 1
160: 1
175: 2
190: 1
210: 0
265: 0


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Re: Kansas Freestyle/Greco Roman State Tournament [Re: Coachjt] #169613 05/07/10 04:12 PM
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What has been the numbers of participants for the last several years? 256 greco and 322 freestyle is what I saw a few minutes ago. For some reason I thought we had only been getting 225-250 the last few years, but that is only off of memory, and my memory is not good.........

Re: Kansas Freestyle/Greco Roman State Tournament [Re: doug747] #169616 05/07/10 04:52 PM
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Last year the State tournament had 185 Greco and 210 freestyle
Good point on the triple crown but I don't want to spend the money for a hotel just so my son can wrestle one or two matches against the same kid. If you are making us spend the night make it worth our while.

Yes earlier I did want to keep the weight class pure but there is just not enough kids at alot of the weight classes. Make this a good tournament not a tournament to hand out metal to everyone. Make our wrestlers earn the state title.

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Re: Kansas Freestyle/Greco Roman State Tournament [Re: A. Steele] #169619 05/07/10 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted By: A. Steele
Last year the State tournament had 185 Greco and 210 freestyle

Make our wrestlers earn the state title.
Numbers are up sweet!!! Block it & let the whiners whine & the wrestlers wrestle!


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Re: Kansas Freestyle/Greco Roman State Tournament [Re: luellen] #169620 05/07/10 06:31 PM
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Can someone post the link to finding out who is in the tournament. I know Luellen said it was trackwrestling prereq matrix, but I don't know how to get to that.

Thanks

Re: Kansas Freestyle/Greco Roman State Tournament [Re: Bones1768] #169621 05/07/10 06:39 PM
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trackwerstling.com---click on prereg top left--click on ks state freestyle&greco tournament ---click on wrestler matrix (right upper side) It will not show names just how many are entered & at what weight & age group

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Re: Kansas Freestyle/Greco Roman State Tournament [Re: Bones1768] #169622 05/07/10 06:41 PM
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They won't release names until 10:30 tonite. The only thing you can view is the matrix of how many are in each weight class.


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Re: Kansas Freestyle/Greco Roman State Tournament [Re: dagwood] #169625 05/07/10 07:04 PM
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I have been trying to enter my boys into trackwrestling all day...and can't get the website to come up. Any clues?
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Re: Kansas Freestyle/Greco Roman State Tournament [Re: up4wrestling] #169626 05/07/10 07:16 PM
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I have been trying to enter my boys into trackwrestling all day...and can't get the website to come up. Any clues?
Kim Lovvorn

Registration closed 15 minutes ago.

Re: Kansas Freestyle/Greco Roman State Tournament [Re: smokeycabin] #169627 05/07/10 07:31 PM
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On the flyer on the calender it states that registration closes at 3:30pm.

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