I see you have TJ Stokes and Zac Litvak at 130 both from GE. They both should be ranked. Just not sure what weight class yet.

Quagmires Rankings for 2010-2011 Pre-Season Rankings

103
1. Javier Vieyra – Salina South
2. Dakota Leech – Goddard
3. Jr. Morgan – Abilene
4. Cullen Hood – Louisburg
5. Jason Perez – Ulysses
6. John Risewick – Norton
7. Tyler Mies – Andale
8. Luke Henes – STA
9. P.J. Cheney – Turner
10. Reese Cokeley – SJA

112
1. Zac Gentzler – Andover Central
2. Kaleb Bonilla – Goddard
3. Tim Prescott - McPherson
4. Dustin Reed - Colby
5. Chris Sullivan – Hutchison
6. Alex Wolf – Smokey Valley
7. Kevin Keller – Lansing
8. Chandler Gordon - SMNW
9. Clint Solis - BS
10. Brad Hake – Concordia

119
1. Austin Hood – Louisburg
2. Dylan Schumacher – TMP
3. Bryce Shoemaker – Baldwin
4. Hunter Haralson – Lawrence
5. Tyler Dryden – Kapaun
6. Caleb Seaton – Bonner Springs
7. Tim Wrestler – Chanute
8. Tyler Dickman – Mill Valley
9. Clay Mulligan – Scott City
10. Jace Roy – Prarie View

125
1. Bo Pursel – Lansing
2. Colby Watters – Arkcity
3. Cody Beasley – Haysville
4. Zach Hoehn – Wellsville
5. Bo Newport – Prarie View
6. Tre Humphrey – SMS
7. Dane Norris – Manhattan
8. Troy Bainter – Norton
9. Tim Wrestler – Chanute
10. Aspen Kmiec – Shawnee Heights

130
1. Daniel DeShazer – Wichita Heights
2. Jake Gentzler – Andover Central
3. Mario Corado – Pittsburg
4. Ross Whitmore – SMNW
5. Konnor Kriss – Colby
6. Zac Dremel – Olathe South
7. T.J. Stokes – Gardner
8. Jayde Kolterman – Clay Center
9. Brady Heinecker – Derby
10. Johnathan Peterson – Hutchison

135
1. Brandon Charbonneau – Emporia
2. Symon Seaton – Basehor Linwood
3. Kyle Johnson – Columbus
4. Dalton Davis – Lakin
5. Aaron Seybold – Pittsburg
6. Alex Thibault – Maize
7. Aaron Puckett – Bonner Springs
8. Chase Locke – Maize
9. Taegan Lambott – Rossville
10. Zack Litvak – Gardner

140
1. Zach Tanembaum – BVN
2. Colton Eck – Andale
3. Bradly Little – Derby
4. Kale Newell – Smith Center
5. B.T. O’hara – Columbus
6. Cole Schreiner – Shawnee Heights
7. Dustin Williams – Gardner
8. Garret Hinkley – Lansing
9. Ky Biddle – Burden Central
10. Courtney Strauss – Abilene

145
1. Taylor Moeder – SJA
2. Spenser Blew – Lansing
3. Nick Collins – Augusta
4. Alex Bontz – Andover Central
5. Trey Houlden – Goddard
6. Levi Eck – Andale
7. Braxton Medina – Garden City
8. Rusty Yarrow – Clay Center
9. Johnathan Blackwell – Bonner Springs
10. Tyler McMichael – BC

152
1. Colten Picking – Abilene
2. Sam Son – Chanute
3. Connor Middleton – Olathe Northwest
4. Dillion Scanlon – Lansing
5. Landon Keiswetter – Norton
6. Colton Duhr – Andale
7. Levi Schneider – Ellsworth
8. Ulysses DeShazer – Wichita Heights
9. Gavin Grater – Clay Center
10. Patrick Weaver – Hugoton

160
1. Ryne Cokeley – SJA
2. Matt Reed – Wichita Heights
3. Chase Sanchez – Emporia
4. Colton Easterberg – Clay Center
5. Jake Hattabaugh – Andale
6. Drake Lovvorn – Holton
7. Spenser Shirk – Norton
8. Jacob Eggers – Dodge City
9. Tyler Terron – Lansing
10. Sterling Terry – Ark City

171
1. Reece Wright-Conklin – Lawrence
2. Jake Delp – Clay Center
3. Tyler Baughman – Lansing
4. Dylan Penka - Kapaun
5. Devon Keith – Bishop Carrol
6. Jared McComb – Chanute
7. Spencer Wilson – Lawrence Free State
8. Casey Sedbrook – Hays
9. Cameron Leupold – Hiawatha
10. Domonique Henderson - Wichita Heights

189
1. Tate Omli – El-Saline
2. Zach Anderson – Clay Center
3. Zach Grimes – Osawatomie
4. Dalton Beard – Goddard
5. Donnie Lockhart – Shawnee Heights
6. Taylor Baird – Pratt
7. Justin McPhail – Liberal
8. Colton Castlebury – Dogde City
9. Luke Bean – Kapaun
10. Armando Alcantara – Turner

215
1. Gage Knudson – Junction City
2. Leo Beck – Mill Valley
3. Eric Mason – STA
4. Taylor Kettler – Spring Hill
5. Josh Martinez – Marysville
6. Luke Hays – Scott City
7. Jordan Oslidal – Ottawa
8. Kyle Pacheco – Gardner
9. Kasey Crum – Pratt
10. David Garcia – Newton

285
1. Dillion Salmans – Hoxie
2. Jeese Trent – Dogde City
3. Luke Henning – Augusta
4. Derek Holly – Shawnee Heights
5. Tylor Woodruff – Goddard
6. Justin Walberg – STA
7. Caleb Molby – Eudora
8. Travis Anderson – Derby
9. Zach Callahan – Mill Valley
10. Aaron Rafalko – Junction City

were you just adding kids in there cause they were on the chiefs rankings? Castlebury goes to douglass? which is what DG on his rankings means not dodge city.

I like his ranking, yes, alot of the weights are way off, but so are some of the Chiefs'. Yes, I know coaches are saying where they want their kid to be, but alot of these kids are growing. From following the summer wrestling I see both polls have kids at too low of weights.

College sports have more than one poll and I am sure Quagmires' Rankings will improve with practice. Remember in capitalism we need competition. Its the good ole American way. I waiting to see if he tries to rate the top ten teams also.

Which ones are off?

perhaps we could include a computer poll and use the average to find which two should wrestle in the All-Class Rankings final

135
6. Alex Thibault – Maize
8. Chase Locke – Maize

Two Maize kids in the same weight

Chief, look at some of your weights and the weights they are going at Fawl Brawl, I do not believe some of those kids are going to make the weights their coaches probably want them too, but only time will tell. It will be interesting. Love following your poll, and enjoyed your competition. John

Almost all of the differences are a weight or two higher because it's October. Dillon Scanlon for example is entered at 160 but will wrestle 152 for Lansing.

Totally agree and I do.

Agree, but not if the other kid is doing track and baseball. He should not be "punished" because he is doing other sports, and especially if he did the Classic, Subs, District, State and Brute Nationals at the same time.

I totally understand, I have tried it and I have been doing it with weights 135 and down for the last 10 years.

And sorry for the belated response Quagmire, I have been away.
Keep up the good work.

Sorry for the belated reponse Tyson, I have been away.
Thank you.
Yes, spread out from 103 to 135.
Yes, the Classic. He won the 125 bracket. He did not beat "the two kids" there , but he beat a kid in the semis that beat one of "the kids" and he beat a kid in the finals that beat "the other kid". He did beat one of "the kids" twice before that just recently though.
Yes, I understand styles and having a kid's number. Wrestled in high school and college, 20 years as a high school head coach. I have seen it, lived it.

Howdy again Tyson.
Sorry for the belated response again, I have been away.

As for your question, I cannot say. I am not the "ranker" here so it doesn't matter I guess. I am fully aware of Steele. He is one of those kids I have been watching for 10 years. I do know he is dang good and probably good enough to be ranked but should he be? Not for me to say but probably not because he has been out some time. Plus, he will get his opportunity to prove were he is at now.
I am confused though as to why you have asked me this question. Completely unrelated to any of my comments, not a good comparison if that is what you were doing. I was talking about a kid that has wrestled straight through, the last 10 years. Also has done the Classic and the Kids State series every year, won it this year in the high school division at 120. Has wrestled FS. And has been to Brute the last two years placing 5th and 3rd.

Thanks again.

Alex Thibault is a Halstead kid........

Ok, I am sorry Quagmire, Chief, Tyson, whoever, etc. that I have not been specific enough for you. I have been vague I see because I really didn't want to promote one kid's name at the sake of anothers.
Apparently I will need to do that to get this info through to you.

Lemon of Goddard has beaten Peterson twice this last season. No disrespect to Peterson because he is dang good. Both placed at HS state at 119. Lemon lost to Beasley in the semis and Norris in OT on the back side. Lemon then won a 125 pound bracket at the Classic that contained Peterson, Kmiec, Henely and Stewart all state medalist along with qualifiers, T. Johnson and B. Johnson, Rodriguez and yes, Krista Revelle. He also beat Henely earlier in the season. Lemon then won the 120 pound bracket in the high school division at Kid's State in a bracket were state medalist T. Kolterman was 5th. Also placing in the bracket was state medalist G. Wright and qualifiers Gulley and Dakin. Also in the bracket were Pfannenstiel, Berends and Heim. Lemon then placed 3rd at Brute/adidas Nationals going 5 and 1 losing in the semis to an undefeated state champion from South Dakota. The whole time he ran track and qualified for state. He was in great shape and is as he is running cross-country now like Peterson and is also a CC state qualifier. He has split with Dremel and Wrestler.
He is pretty dang good. He will probably start at 130. May go 125, may not, we don't want to be at the Y every night after practice.

I probably should have just taken Moeder's advice and started the "Totally Legit Lightweight List" but that would draw way too much attention to myself and would leave me vulnerable to crass, albeit very funny, comments from Beeson and smokeycabin.

I do really appreciate Chief and Quagmire's Lists and efforts though. I really do enjoy the lists.

Thanks and have a great day! Now let it fly.

Yeah i am really bad with the schools different kids go to I made a lot of typos. My bad im getting better at it i think.

Even as good as I was, don't think I could have taken on two studs at the same time (say cheese):) No wonder these two are ranked so high!

Thiabault wrestled for Halstead last year, correct? Did he move/transfer?

That is correct he did wrestle for Halstead last year. I believe Quagmire may have just had a typo, because I have not heard anything about him transfering

103
1. Javier Vieyra – Salina South
2. Dakota Leech – Goddard
3. Jr. Morgan – Abilene
4. Cullen Hood – Louisburg
5. Jason Perez – Ulysses
6. John Risewick – Norton
7. Colt Skillman – Burlington
8. Tyler Mies – Andale
9. Brandon Ball – Hoisington
10. Luke Henes – STA

112
1. Zac Gentzler – Andover Central
2. Kaleb Bonilla – Goddard
3. Tim Prescott - McPherson
4. Dustin Reed - Colby
5. Chris Sullivan – Hutchison
6. Alex Wolf – Smokey Valley
7. Kevin Keller – Lansing
8. Chandler Gordon - SMNW
9. Quinton Harrison – Hutchison
10. Brad Hake – Concordia

119
1. Austin Hood – Louisburg
2. Dylan Schumacher – TMP
3. Bryce Shoemaker – Baldwin
4. Hunter Haralson – Lawrence
5. Tyler Dryden – Kapaun
6. Caleb Seaton – Bonner Springs
7. Tyler Dickman – Mill Valley
8. Clay Mulligan – Scott City
9. Taelor Mendenhall – Concordia
10. Jace Roy – Prarie View

125
1. Bo Pursel – Lansing
2. Colby Watters – Arkcity
3. Cody Beasley – Haysville
4. Zach Hoehn – Wellsville
5. Tre Humphrey – SMS
6. Dane Norris – Manhattan
7. Tim Wrestler – Chanute
8. Zach Litvak – Gardner
9. Geoffry Wright – BVNW
10. Aspen Kmiec – Shawnee Heights

130
1. Daniel DeShazer – Wichita Heights
2. Jake Gentzler – Andover Central
3. Mario Corado – Pittsburg
4. Ross Whitmore – SMNW
5. Konnor Kriss – Colby
6. Troy Bainter – Norton
7. Zac Dremel – Olathe South
8. T.J. Stokes – Gardner
9. Jayde Kolterman – Clay Center
10. Licoln Lemon – Goddard

135
1. Brandon Charbonneau – Emporia
2. Symon Seaton – Basehor Linwood
3. Kyle Johnson – Columbus
4. Dalton Davis – Lakin
5. Aaron Seybold – Pittsburg
6. Alex Thibault – Halstead
7. Aaron Puckett – Bonner Springs
8. Chase Locke – Maize
9. Jake Umschied – Andover Central
10. Taegan Lambott – Rossville

140
1. Zach Tanembaum – BVN
2. Colton Eck – Andale
3. Bradly Little – Derby
4. Kale Newell – Smith Center
5. B.T. O’hara – Columbus
6. Cole Schreiner – Shawnee Heights
7. Dustin Williams – Gardner
8. Garret Hinkley – Lansing
9. Ky Biddle – Burden Central
10. Courtney Strauss – Abilene

145
1. Taylor Moeder – SJA
2. Spenser Blew – Lansing
3. Trey Houlden – Goddard
4. Nick Collins – Augusta
5. Alex Bontz – Andover Central
6. Levi Eck – Andale
7. Braxton Medina – Garden City
8. Rusty Yarrow – Clay Center
9. Johnathan Blackwell – Bonner Springs
10. Tyler McMichael – Burden Central

152
1. Colten Picking – Abilene
2. Sam Son – Chanute
3. Connor Middleton – Olathe Northwest
4. Dillion Scanlon – Lansing
5. Colton Duhr – Andale
6. Levi Schneider – Ellsworth
7. Ulysses DeShazer – Wichita Heights
8. Gavin Grater – Clay Center
9. Patrick Weaver – Hugoton
10. Dawson Elliot – Goddard

160
1. Ryne Cokeley – SJA
2. Matt Reed – Wichita Heights
3. Chase Sanchez – Emporia
4. Colton Easterberg – Clay Center
5. Jake Hattabaugh – Andale
6. Drake Lovvorn – Holton
7. Spenser Shirk – Norton
8. Jacob Eggers – Dodge City
9. Tyler Terron – Lansing
10. Sterling Terry – Ark City

171
1. Reece Wright-Conklin – Lawrence
2. Jake Delp – Clay Center
3. Tyler Baughman – Lansing
4. Dylan Penka - Kapaun
5. Landon Keiswetter – Norton
6. Jared McComb – Chanute
7. Casey Sedbrook – Hays
8. Devon Keith – Bishop Carrol
9. Domonique Henderson - Wichita Heights
10. Cameron Leupold – Hiawatha



189
1. Tate Omli – El-Saline
2. Zach Anderson – Clay Center
3. Zach Grimes – Osawatomie
4. Dalton Beard – Goddard
5. Donnie Lockhart – Shawnee Heights
6. Taylor Baird – Pratt
7. Justin McPhail – Liberal
8. Colton Castlebury – Douglass
9. Luke Bean – Kapaun
10. Armando Alcantara – Turner

215
1. Gage Knudson – Junction City
2. Leo Beck – Mill Valley
3. Eric Mason – STA
4. Taylor Kettler – Spring Hill
5. Josh Martinez – Marysville
6. Luke Hays – Scott City
7. Jordan Oslidal – Ottawa
8. Shawn Marlett – Derby
9. Kyle Pacheco – Gardner
10. Kasey Crum – Pratt

285
1. Dillion Salmans – Hoxie
2. Jesse Trent – Dogde City
3. Luke Henning – Augusta
4. Derek Holly – Shawnee Heights
5. Tylor Woodruff – Goddard
6. Justin Walberg – STA
7. Caleb Molby – Eudora
8. Travis Anderson – Derby
9. Zach Callahan – Mill Valley
10. Aaron Rafalko - Junction City