Doug, I am thinking of joining and organizing from within. I am finally starting to figure out that kneeling and standing stuff (some of us learn slow) and they leave out the end of the Lord's Prayer. And, Doug, I really like the sermons on social responsibility.

Do respect in reference to the JC classic I will never ever ever go to it again. Unless they change the open and novice on same day. Its to crowded and takes forever. I understand the reasoning for doing it that way. So they can make more etc.. This is really disappointing to me cause it is always well ran and good competetion and its real close to home. Its just incredibly crowded. And not to be judgmentel but if you looking for the novice parents Their the ones in the lawn chairs on the floors next to mat surfaces. LOL

IMO I should flex with my wrestling schedule not my church schedule. In our household we attend every time the doors are open. (Sunday a.m. & p.m. Wednesday p.m. and any youth group events). That is the example I choose to set for my family.

Sorry then you should not attend Sunday tournaments. I believe that I don't have to be in the pews every Sunday to be a good Christian. But I see your position. I believe that "The good lord won't mind us missing for a father and son time" A Family Prays/Plays together stays together.

I try to catch a nap during the sermon, so I wouldn't know....

But I don't believe we should make these teams that have tourneys on Sunday, reschedule them to meet one person's church schedule.......

doug747 - sleeping during a sermon - explains a lot....

I've had parents have their kids quit wrestling over the novice on Sunday...my suggestion would be to take your lumps at smaller open tournaments - especially those smaller open tournaments when bigger tourneys such as Salina, Wichita, etc are taking place.

I know the Jo Co Kids Classic was a nightmare last year (trust me it was worse behind the scenes) but they are back to the original location and things should run smoother this year. So that is one novice tournament you could attend on Saturday, there are a few others.

What are you trying to say??? I am insulted.........

“Do respect in reference to the JC classic I will never ever ever go to it again.”

Jon Trowbridge Prodigy Wrestling
Ive never had the fear of getting beat thats how most people lose.

Jon and the tournaments that you and your Club KC Prodigy Wrestling host, run, volunteer at and do a lot of the work organizing is when and where?

no insult intended!!!!!

Smokey, we are just a small humble club no school affiliation doing everthing we can as Dads and coaches to nurture our own kids as athletes. This doesn't mean we shouldn't have an opinon. Last year we supported the JC Classic. I just trying to bring to light that you could have a better turnout. And I did say it was a well run competetive turnout and I regret we won't be going. So I guess the fact that we don't have a school, tournament etc. means your better? I will continue to do whats best for them.

I'll make a deal with you if you need help with anything, at all I am always happy to help anyone. Those who know me at all will tell you the same thing. My number 913-314-4529.

"I'll make a deal with you if you need help with anything."
Jon Trowbridge Prodigy Wrestling


I'll make a deal with you. Don't rip on tournaments and their directors unless you have helped run one with 750 - 1000 volunteer hours for one weekend - and providing a place for kids to compete. I never said that parents who are helping their kids and clubs that help host tournaments are better. I am sure you and your club could help work a table at every tournament, help with weighins and skin checks, cleanup bleachers and bathroomns, work consessions and hospitality room for coaches, schedule officials & EMTs, move mats from one school to another setup, teardown return mats when tournament is over & clean mats, bracketing, ordering supplies and awards, updating brackets, and many other tasks, etc. Feel free to call or e-mail me if you have a problem.

Sean McCarthy
(913) 579-1835
smokeycabin@hotmail.com

I guess you've never heard the saying "the customer is always right"? I doubt that your local supermarket only accepts complaints from those who have run a supermarket in the past. If clubs/directors don't want complaints then don't get greedy and take more entries than your facilities can handle. It's as simple as that!

Wow this thread has taken some strange turns. Back to the Wrestling on Sunday. I have been involved in Kansas Wrestling with my kids for 6 years now. I've started three of my six sons wrestling here (two started in another state where we moved from, one will start next year) and we have never wrestled on a Sunday. Yes my kids starting as 6&under have taken a beating, but they have also given a few out. The thing that is hard to swallow is when your son makes it to the state Tournament knowing that the best he can do is 2nd if he is able to win all his matches on Saturday, or not place if he happens to lose on Saturday. I'm not asking for a change but it is something that is hard to face. Yes wrestling is mentioned in the Bible but isn't Keeping the Sabbath day holy one of the big 10.

Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it. (Exodus 20:1-17)

I have taken some lumps as a parent from coaches and parents for teaching my son’s this principal but in the end when my son did qualify for state a few years ago I don’t think I could have been prouder of him if he had won the whole thing then when he was given the choice to travel with a coach and go back and wrestle on Sunday when he said and I quote “ Dad, (holding his hands like scales) wrestling or our father in heaven, that’s a no brainer, I’ll get my church clothes on.”

I love wrestling, I really like what it teaches my sons, I just wish (and I know it is just a wish) we could give more kids that are getting into sports the same opportunities I had when I was young. We didn’t do all of these things on Sunday but some how we still managed to get a lot of wrestling (and other sports) in and not have to miss out or be benched because you had believes that were stronger then practice or games on Sunday. I really wonder sometimes when I look at all the new and more difficult problems our children face in today’s world if maybe the lack of respect we give those Ten Commandments might be some of the problem, and could also be more of a solution if we followed them.

Wow now that was a rant.

I'm not trying to get into this holy war but if I read that last post correctly the only thing I am allowed to do on Sunday is worship and lay in bed. Kids aren't allowed to have fun( that passage said WORK, not fun just for the record) and we can't cook on Sunday. I was always taught that you didn't have to go to a place of congregation to worship as you can worship in your heart anytime you want to. My son loves the sport of wrestling and I will afford him every opportunity possible in that sport.

Sean I'll tell you what if you would time to read thru my post you see I didn't rip anyone if fact said they always did a great job with the event. You thinks a rip on someone? If you think thats a rip tough! don't email me don't call if you see me around stop me and we can talk. But sir you should climb off your high horse before hand. Nothing I posted warranted any of the stuff your spewing.

"one person" Ya think? The title In God we trust was chosen because this country used to believe it. If it's down to just me, WOW.

And so that all know, we will have Gabriel wrestling in opens on Saturdays when there isn't a novice. Maybe he'll win his first match at an open. Who knows? I love wrestling and the way my boys love it with me. I'm not a pesimist, we will find our place, but not on Sundays. Boys should have fun, Sunday included, and men should teach their family to worship. The majority that do choose to, choose Sunday to worship. In the wrestling world novice is when we get our future best to love the sport. All being said we all have to make a choice.

BTW I do think that Andover has cancled their Sunday event.