chief the infant mortality rate in those times had to be at least 50-60%, there was no medicine to speak of kids died from ear infections in those times. There is no way 8 people can repopulate the earth in a couple of hundred years. What about the children who were born that were infertile,It sounds to me like you have on your biblical glasses ( this is what Ken Hamm calls them ) I guess when something doesn't make sense you put your biblical glasses on and then all is right, you can fabricate facts and try to pass them off as the truth.

Those numbers are PURE MATH. You can't ignore them! Cut them in half if you want, it changes NOTHING. Plenty of people to build a tower.

Rassler,

Let me explain the undeniable truth. You mentioned biblical glasses and made fun of them. The truth is EVERYBODY brings a presupposition into their belief. It's called a worldview. So whether you call them biblical glasses or anti-god glasses like you have on, it is equally philisophical. We ALL HAVE THE SAME EVIDENCE. It's how you view that evidence. On my web site, www.scienceprovesit.com there is a link at the top that lists many credentialed scientists that believe the evidence proves creation. They actually KNOW science.

Learn the controversy!

Acts 17:26. "From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands."

There is really only one race—the human race. The Bible teaches us that God has "made of one blood all nations of men" (Acts 17:26). Scripture distinguishes people by tribal or national groupings, not by skin color or physical appearance. Clearly, though, there are groups of people who have certain features (e.g., skin color) in common, which distinguish them from other groups. We prefer to call these “people groups” rather than “races,” to avoid the evolutionary connotations associated with the word “race.”

All peoples can interbreed and produce fertile offspring. This shows that the biological differences between the “races” are not very great. In fact, the DNA differences are trivial. The DNA of any two people in the world would typically differ by just 0.2 percent. Of this, only 6 percent can be linked to racial categories; the rest is “within race” variation.

The variation in DNA between human individuals shows that racial differences are trivial. This genetic unity means, for instance, that white Americans, although ostensibly far removed from black Americans in phenotype, can sometimes be better tissue matches for them than are other black Americans.

Anthropologists generally classify people into a small number of main racial groups, such as the Caucasoid (European or “white”), the Mongoloid (which includes the Chinese, Inuit or Eskimo, and Native Americans), the Negroid (black Africans), and the Australoid (the Australian Aborigines). Within each classification, there may be many different sub-groups.
Virtually all evolutionists would now say that the various people groups did not have separate origins. That is, different people groups did not each evolve from a different group of animals. So they would agree with the biblical creationist that all people groups have come from the same original population. Of course, they believe that such groups as the Aborigines and the Chinese have had many tens of thousands of years of separation. Most believe that there are such vast differences between the groups that there had to be many years for these differences to develop.

One reason for this is that many people believe that the observable differences arise from some people having unique features in their hereditary make-up which others lack. This is an understandable but incorrect idea.

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Beasts in the field? To me that means beasts in the field, not humans.

Let me read, starting in verse 24 of Genesis 1, "Then God said, 'Let the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind, cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth after their kind, and it was so.' And God made the beasts of the earth after their kind and the cattle after their kind and everything that creeps on the ground after its kind. And God saw that it was good. Then God said, 'Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.' And God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him, male and female He created them. And God blessed them and God said to them, 'Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it and rule over the fish of the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over every living thing that moves on the earth.' Then God said, 'I've given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth and every tree which has fruit yielding seed, it shall be food for you. And to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the sky and to everything that moves on the earth which has life, I have given every green plant for food and it was so.' And God saw all that He had made and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, a sixth day."

Now there couldn't be a more straightforward account of creation than that. It tells you exactly what God did on the sixth day. He created the land animals, dividing into three categories we find all of them...both the domestic animals indicated by the word cattle, and the more wild animals indicated by the term beasts of the earth, and then everything that walks lowly on the ground, or crawls, insects, reptiles, amphibians, rats and squirrels and etc., and etc.

Then having created that form of animal life already the day before, having created all the birds in the air and all the animals in the sea, God had completed His creation with the exception of man, finished it off as verse 26 and 27 indicates by creating man. All of that He did on the sixth day, actually a 24-hour period as indicated at the end of verse 31, an evening and a morning, a period of light and a period of darkness...that is to say one revolution of the earth.

Now the enemies of God and the enemies of the Bible have denied this revealed Word from God. They have claimed that man has evolved over millions and billions of years. And that modern man is the result of mutation. Modern man is the result of some...some random and yet self-willed genetic transformation. Man is the product of the survival of the fittest. That is not what the Word of God says. What I just read you couldn't be more clear. It is also reiterated in the second chapter verse 7, "The Lord God formed man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a living being." And down in verse 19, "Out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, every bird of the sky, brought them to the man to see what he would call them. Whatever the man called a living creature that was his name. And the man gave names to all the cattle, to the birds of the sky, to every beast of the field, but for Adam there was not found a helper suitable for him. So the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon man, he slept then He took one of his ribs and closed up the flesh at that place and the Lord God fashioned into a woman the rib which He had taken from the man and brought her to the man."

There you have the creation of woman. In both cases, the creation of man, the creation of woman, is a direct and immediate creative act of God. Over in chapter 5 of Genesis, the fifth chapter begins, "This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day when God created man He made him in the likeness of God. He created them male and female and He blessed them and named them man in the day when they were created." Repeatedly it says there was a day when God created man both male and female.

That is what the Bible says.

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Chief,
There was not a world flood all evidence points to a regional flood from the black sea. Can you explain why the Babylonians had an almost identical flood story The epic of Giglamesh. this was probably written before genesis that early christian writers used as a basis for their story. There are several other flood stories written that are almost identical to the one in genesis. This was an old folk tale that was passed down from generation to generation before it was written down in the book of genesis.

Lunatic.

what about the epic of giglamish chief you call me a lunatic but you cant explain this one away. It is a flood story almost identical to noahs flood yet written before genesis.

The truth is that if the global flood were true, and it is. You would expect there to be several accounts of it, and there are.

Hmmm! Now let me get this straight you are saying there should be several accounts of this flood? But didn't everyone die in the flood but Noah and his family? Why would one of them write another account of it and not have their father as the central character?

The Epic of Gilgamesh is, perhaps, the oldest written story on Earth. It comes to us from Ancient Sumeria, and was originally written on 12 clay tablets in cunieform script. It is about the adventures of the historical King of Uruk (somewhere between 2750 and 2500 BCE).

In both the Genesis and Galgamesh stories:
The Genesis story describes how mankind had become obnoxious to God; they were hopelessly sinful and wicked. In the Babylonian story, they were too numerous and noisy. The Gods (or God) decided to send a worldwide flood. This would drown men, women, children, babies and infants, as well as eliminate all of the land animals and birds.
The Gods (or God) knew of one righteous man, Ut-Napishtim or Noah.
The Gods (or God) ordered the hero to build a multi-story wooden ark (called a chest or box in the original Hebrew).
The ark would be sealed with pitch.
The ark would have with many internal compartments
It would have a single door
It would have at least one window. The ark was built and loaded with the hero, a few other humans, and samples from all species of other land animals.
A great rain covered the land with water.
The mountains were initially covered with water.
The ark landed on a mountain in the Middle East.
The hero sent out birds at regular intervals to find if any dry land was in the vicinity.
The first two birds returned to the ark. The third bird apparently found dry land because it did not return.
The hero and his family left the ark, ritually killed an animal, offered it as a sacrifice.
God (or the Gods in the Epic of Gilgamesh) smelled the roasted meat of the sacrifice.
The hero was blessed.
The Babylonian gods seemed genuinely sorry for the genocide that they had created. The God of Noah appears to have regretted his actions as well, because he promised never to do it again.

The were a number of differences between the two stories:
Noah received his instructions directly from Jehovah; Ut-Napishtim received them indirectly during a dream.
Noah's ark was 3 stories high and rectangular in shape. Two estimated dimensions are 547 x 91 ft. and 450 x 75 ft. The Babylonian ark was 6 stories high and square.
Ut-Napishtim invited additional people on board: a pilot and some skilled workmen.
Noah's ark landed on Mt. Ararat; Ut-Napishtim'sat on Mt. Nisir; these locations are both in the Middle East, and are located few hundred miles apart
In the Bible, some of the water emerged from beneath the earth. And the rains from above lasted for 40 days and nights. A 40 day interval often symbolized a period of judgment in the Hebrew Scriptures. 2 In the Babylonian account, the water came only in the form of rain, and lasted only 6 days. Noah released a raven once and a dove twice; Ut-Napishtim released three birds: a dove, swallow and raven.

Sounds like the story of Noah was copied from the epic of giglamish.

The flood account in the Epic is the story which lost historical accuracy and was distorted, whereas the Genesis Flood account is the accurate historical record of the Flood event.

There are many refutations written on this story. In the end it is just another tired attempt to convince yourself that there is no God.

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So you are saying that as an undergraduate Biology student, you know more than these scientists that disagree with you???


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There are several scientists on this list that are absolutely convinced that the scientific evidence proves a young earth. In fact, the debates that I've attended (Over 20) have been overwhelmingly in favor of the young earth position. You understand that TIME and CHANCE are the only variables that evolutionists have to make their fantasy possible. If you take away the TIME, their fantasy is exposed.

As to the Ark... Only the parent “kinds” of species were required to be on board in order to repopulate the earth. Using a short cubit of 18 inches (46 cm) for the Ark to be conservative, less than half of the cumulative area of the Ark’s three decks need to have been occupied by the animals and their enclosures.

As a presuppositionalist, I will never discount that the written word of God is without error from cover to cover. It is the only truth written to mankind and all so called "knowledge" is based on assumptions.

Andy,

95% of science in our classrooms is science. Origins science is equally philisophical on both sides. I share the opinion of hundreds of scientists that believe the evidence points to a young earth and devolution, not evolution.

The main point is there IS a controversy. It is a fasinating issue with eternal implications.

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