So Alex....you're telling me that the 2-on-1 is not a pinning combination? And you claim to be from western kansas!!

If he's off the hips and working to turn the bottom wrestler with a variety of moves (ie. not just a 2on1 or a half w/ a spiral ride) then it should be the bottom guy pretty plain and simple.

Nobody in kansas calls stalling anyway. kids could probably ride the hips and get away with it in 99% of time.

Two reasons they wont call it. 1) They dont understand what stalling is. 2) They are afraid to make the call, just plain and simply SCARED!

I know this is the high school page, but I was hoping this would come up sometime. At Salina this past weekend, I seen many wrestlers lacing the ankle, and half @$$ trying to run a 3/4 nelson. The bottom kid would flatten out to avoid this, the top wrestler would go back to the hips, the bottom wrestler would build back up, and the top wrestler would again half @$$ try a 3/4 nelson, and this went on for 2/1/2 periods. According to the rule, the top wrestler is moving off of the hips, and the bottom wreslter is avoiding gettign turned, but yet continued to keep building a base, eventhough the top wreslter never attempted to really turn him, just tried to look busy. Is this stalling? I wouldnt want to be the official making the call on either wrestler, becuase someone is going to jump all over you for calling their wrestler for stalling.

Stalling calls are something that High School officials have a hard time making consistanty. Now look at colligate officials and they make the call much more consistantly. Any ideas why? Does anyone think this correlates with the consistancy of stalemate calls? THis keeps the action going. I have always felt that stalling is a call that has been treated as a judgement call and not a rule book call. It is defined pretty clearly. The biggest mistake made at the high school level is the fact that it is not called consitantly until the end of the season and at the end of matches.

Perhaps stalling in the neutral position, but certainly NOT in the offensive wrestler position. In fact you can actually earn a point in college for "riding" which at the high school level is often classified as stalling. In my opinion stalling isn't called as consistently at the high school level, because each official sees things a little differently than others. In the western part of the state they believe that running a 2 on 1 and attempting a tilt every 15-25 seconds means they are working for a fall, whereas those on the eastern part of the state expect the top man to work off the hips. And that is not to suggest fault with wrestlers or coaches regardless of situation, it is simply the style of wrestling that has been allowed.

In may be of interest for people to realize that the NFHS Wrestling Rule book does NOT mention a stipulation of the offensive wrestler moving off of his opponents hips. You simply won't find it in writing on the rules book. This however is the metric that many officials across the state use to judge stalling, and frankly as long as that is consistant among officials everywhere, then it shouldn't really be a controversial situation.

The reason why people perceive differences in the way stalling is called in the post season is because different officials from different parts of the state referee those tournaments whereas during the regular season it is typical the same group of officials refereeing the same tournament.

You are saying if they are out to the side and running a spiral (half, claw, whatever) to the head; that is stalling? I've rarely (not sure if I've ever seen it called prior to this weekend in Salina) seen this called, even at the college level.

I could understand that position if he was behind and covering hips, but no when he's out to the side/front working for the turn.