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6 and under State in Ottawa #199549 02/17/12 02:23 AM
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When will the brackets be available for the tournament on Sunday?

Re: 6 and under State in Ottawa [Re: barborugby] #199552 02/17/12 03:21 AM
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On Sunday morning.

Re: 6 and under State in Ottawa [Re: Bones1768] #199686 02/18/12 01:02 PM
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So are the seeds set that are on trackwrestling because all the top wrestlers are wrestling against each other in the 2nd round.

Re: 6 and under State in Ottawa [Re: boyswrestle] #199706 02/18/12 08:22 PM
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not sure if the seeds are "set" but I'm not sure where you are getting they will wrestle in the 2nd round as no brackets are created. I'd imagine once the brackets are done it will work out.


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Re: 6 and under State in Ottawa [Re: Joe Knecht] #199790 02/19/12 04:26 AM
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You will notice that you cannot open the brackets. You can however look at how many are in each weight class (but you will notice that it says that the brackets are not built) and you can go into the weight class and see who is there, what they weighed in at and what their wrestling level is...but again - no brackets. They cannot build brackets until all wrestlers are weighed in.
When my son wrestled at 6 and under State he was in a 64 man bracket. Whoever is in the class will be on the bracket. Good luck to all!

Re: 6 and under State in Ottawa [Re: Allie] #200584 02/22/12 12:29 PM
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I am not sure how the seeds were done, but in the 64lb class, I went through alot of the wrestlers and just trying to figure out how most of all the top wrestlers were in the bottom half of the bracket, and lower rank/first year ended up in the top half of the bracket. My son won his first round match, didn't place but the boy he beat ended up placing. Know it involves how the bracket falls, but if seeding was done right, that should not have happened.

Re: 6 and under State in Ottawa [Re: Allie] #200591 02/22/12 12:59 PM
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The brackets can be built before weigh-ins. If someone does not make weight, they are scratched. The only reason the brackets could not be built is if there are additions or changes being made. If there are no changes allowed after cut off, the brackets can be built/seeded.

Re: 6 and under State in Ottawa [Re: whitewolf490] #200596 02/22/12 01:32 PM
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6U is very difficult if not impossible to seed. Most of the kids stay within a 50 mile range of where they live. So it is hard to tell how they stack up against the rest of the State. Alot of 6U wrestle quite a bit of novice so it is hard to tell how good they really are. Throw in the fact that they are 6 and can not or will not perform the same from one match to the next makes it harder still. Finally, most are coached to just throw headlocks, cow-catchers, and snakes, it is anybody's match when these kind of junk moves are taught to 6U. The winner is who ever fell on top. Blind Draw is the best way to go at 6U State.


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Re: 6 and under State in Ottawa [Re: Beeson] #200606 02/22/12 02:06 PM
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Seeding are always more difficult for 6U, and even tougher because all clubs either don't pay attention to their ranking of wrestlers or change rankings based on the tournament. I like the blind draw method for 6U state, just wrestle the kid in front of you.

Re: 6 and under State in Ottawa [Re: NColtrane] #200609 02/22/12 02:24 PM
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Anything is possible in a 64 man bracket wrestled in 12 hours...period.

Re: 6 and under State in Ottawa [Re: Mark J Stanley] #200616 02/22/12 03:13 PM
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it might be impossible to seed the bigger brackets but just a thought would be to try and find the best 4 kids and seed those kids. i dont mind either way as im not too concearned about how many kids state championships my kids win. i move my boys around to wrestle different kids. i do not hide or run from any kid just so i can give my son a chance to win a kids state championship. they will wrestle the weight they are at in the end of the season no matter who is there.


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Re: 6 and under State in Ottawa [Re: bockman] #200775 02/23/12 03:40 AM
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Scott, I like the top 4 as you mentioned. Just did not see this at the state. I checked all the kids but there were about 6-7 changes made to the 64Lb bracket from weigh ins the night before to the time they posted the brackets.
Is DB your son? I watched him wrestle and he is very good. Congrats to him.
I do the same with my son, we have been to Hays, Hutch, Hillsboro, etc...and put him up against any kid also, win or lose.

Re: 6 and under State in Ottawa [Re: Mark J Stanley] #200777 02/23/12 03:43 AM
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Mark, that is true. But this was not a 64 man bracket. 16 man with 3 byes in it. The bracket was half seeded the night before with everyone but 1 in the bottom bracket.

Re: 6 and under State in Ottawa [Re: whitewolf490] #200826 02/23/12 01:40 PM
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Why soooo much beating this horse? Just wrestle. A great deal of times Trackwrestling will place the "top" lower percentage loss wrestlers in the top bracket and they wrestle. So the Trackwrestling system isn't that golden! Just wrestle! Your looking at getting these kids towards HS & hopefully farther in their wrestling sport. 6 year olds & under don't necessarily need to be seated. This tournament had < 400 kids!

Ultimately, it's a lot like life--sometimes we win, sometimes we lose. Yes, winning matters just like losing matters. Keep in mind that after a loss something is learned. Hence LOSS = Learning Opportunity Stay Strong!

Just my .02


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Re: 6 and under State in Ottawa [Re: in it to win it] #200850 02/23/12 03:53 PM
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Yes Drew is my son. he has come a long way this season. part of the reason is because he wrestled all the big nationals and big tournaments in kansas this year. he has an older brother so gets the chance to travel with him. i didnt mention the moving around so much for the 6 under kids but these next couple weeks you will see lots of parents and coaches moving the kids around. if thats what they want thats ok by me. im not going to move my kids just so they have a chance to win a state championship. i had to move my son up last year due to his weight knowing he probably would not win state due to one of the kids in that bracket. i will worry about those state championships when we get to highschool.


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Can someone tell me the phone number and name of the t-shirt vendor at the 6 under state tournament? I have not yet received my sons shirt, has anyone else? Thanks!

Re: 6 and under State in Ottawa [Re: boyswrestle] #203075 03/09/12 05:03 PM
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Mr. Meck is good for it. He is good people..........

Re: 6 and under State in Ottawa [Re: doug747] #203085 03/09/12 05:37 PM
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Can someone tell me the phone number and name of the t-shirt vendor at the 6 under state tournament? I have not yet received my sons shirt, has anyone else? Thanks!
Our Number is 785-379-9200 The shirts went out in todays mail.

Re: 6 and under State in Ottawa [Re: Nick's Dad] #203086 03/09/12 06:04 PM
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Thank you and no worries! Just wanted to make sure I didn't miss it! Again thank you for letting us order more!


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