Mr. Baker. Go see Coach Pigorsch reclass to 32-32-32. plus read the post that 4a regional brackets were only 76% filled.
Read the posts that 40-60% All Class ranked wrestlers are from 5A qnd 6A school--in fact go review the All Class ranking and do your own counting. Also, ther are not 64 but 96 321A wrestling schools--and even with thos number they can only fill a 75% of the 16 bracket 321A regional. I don't think anyone really give a s... about you and Beeson, nor about your rants about 5A---plus don't see a lot of Abeline or Ark city medals in the bigger and better tournaments. Instaes of rabble rousing, why don't you develop a statewide wrestling restructure that can be sold to school administrators and then to KSHSAA. Pretty soon someone just calls animal control, or shoots, the neighborhood growling cur.

all i can get out of this is some of you guys need to use spell check and grammar check. thats what is making kansas wrestling look bad. kansas wrestling is not perfect. it changes from year to year. we are dealt the cards and have to follow the rules so a new rule i would like to add to this forum is use your spell check. i wont push the grammar issue as i am not a grammar teacher.

Read the posts that 40-60% All Class ranked wrestlers are from 5A qnd 6A school--

I have no doubt that 5A and 6A have tough kids, I see many of these tough kids right here in Hays, but to compare these to the All Class Rankings, is not a good argument in my opinion. As many of these kids have never met, and have no common oponents. Many of these rankings are just an educated guess. Dont get me wrong I read them, and debate about them just as much as the next guy. But I also know that unless these kids all meet at one time or another, you will never know who is the best in the state. therefore encourage your highschool wreslters to join the Kids Series. This is the only way some of these wrestlers will ever get the chance to prove they are the best in the state ALL CLASS. Becuase we all know the all class tournament isnt going to happen soon, as many have been arguing for this for years. JMO

Agree on spel chek and gramr chex. But, not easi to do on this forum--do knot even kno wher to loolk for those butoons. Butt, will keep looken for thm.

I am sure glad we are not using grammer checks, and I am sure glad you are not a grammer teacher. Becuase you forgot to put a capital letter after all of your periods. Just thought I would point that out, as it was possibly the best proof reading I have ever done. :):)

I can't resist. It is grammar, FYI

Darn-It I thought mine was corrective proof. Oh well that is why I am not a teacher, and work on a computer all day. My computers spell check has my back.

Lucass, I have been rather quiet on the subject of you this year. And for the most part I intend to stay that way, as I have learned that arguing with you is futile. I do have a question I would like for you to answer, just to give everyone a little bit of background on how much you know and how closely you follow Kansas Wrestling. How many Kansas High School Duals, Tournaments or State Tournaments have you been to in the last 2 years? I am assuming your knowledge and drive for wrestling is not what you would like to let on. Especially considering that you did not know that McPherson and Pitt were now 4A, nor did you know that they either one were ranked.

I am sure glad to hear that Coach, thanks.

Don't be encouraging Will to do that...zoning issues...

Lucas man, I hear you, usually loud and clear too.

No one wants to see those kids with losing records in the state brackets, but not because they think those kids with losing records don't belong at state. It is because we know those losing records will give close minded, tunnel visioned people a reason to gripe about 5A and 6A and call for a combined class. Yes, the numbers you provide about losing records are hard to miss and hard to ignore. We agree that it's not the best thing, but combining the classes would just create a worse problem.



Some how I knew that would come up again.

First let me state that Chiefs rankings are extremely accurate. They are definitely not some "educated guess". More likely they are "high probability predictions" made from analysis of mountians of information, data, results, comparisons, that is facts.

The variable presented above (team all class ranking) is just one variable. There are many others as well. The only variable Lucas and some others look at is the record thing and that is not a true reflection of the strength of a class or its wrestlers and the toughness of the class or the achievement of state champion or even qualifier of the said class.

The losing records Lucas is a reflection of the level of competition the wrestlers experience and the regional alignment. You really don't understand everything that goes into it. Take my son's weight. In his bracket there are kids with losing records that wrestle for Lansing, Emporia, Andover Central and Aquinas. If you knew anything, you would know that these are top notch programs with elite wrestlers. You would know that you have to be good just to make the team. You would know that if you make the team you will endure the toughest schedule of competition imaginable where placing will be as hard or harder than state, even the mighty 4A state. And if you make it thru it you will have a "chance" to go to state. These kids I speak of are definitely good enough to be at state. They would definitely make the 3A state and probably the 4A state. You really don't understand that component and several other components of the argument with which you so strongly pursue.

The regional alignment is a separate issue that I have discussed before and don't want to get into now. It is a KSHSAA issue and will probably never go away so it may be not even worth wasting time on although going to 2 regionals that qualify 8 each as some have proposed I believe would cure the problem.

Now as for me Lucas, I am certainly not hiding behind letters. First of all I do not need to leave me name because I am usually not accusing anyone so there is no need for anyone to face some said accuser. In others words, I do not put derogatory post on here that warrant a name for validity. I had this discussion with AAA recently at Chanute. Also, as I explained to AAA, I want people to focus not on me but on my posts. My name is not important. However everyone that knows what's up in Kansas wrestling knows who I am. If they weren't clever enough to figure it out right away, there have been clues over the years to assist them and most have figured it out by now. I just left some more clues above. Beeson just left another clue as well. He obviously knows who I am. Go back and check and figure it out and some of my posts in the past may make more sense. A lot of people know who I am and I haven't changed my alias yet so obviously I am not hiding. I am sorry that you have been left out of the loop for so long but don't get offended, its not personal.

Start promoting more harmony Lucas. We are Kansas Wrestling and we should be proud of everything about it. Many of us compete with other class wrestlers on National teams, etc. and consider each other colleagues throughout the season at various competitions, etc. and we don't want to be a part of this class warfare thing.

How about being more transparent with your name: XGHS(x2)WSEWC?

That should clear it up. Then again...maybe not.

see there you go. i learned you something already. at least your checking your spelling and grammar. your right i dont use capitals or punctuation usually but i do try to spell right. i just thought i would mention it since im sure there are a ton of people that read these posts and cant make heads or tales out of some of it. some probably get a good laugh. its all in good fun though. im just glad i have been away from this forum room this past season. i do read it but doubt i will post too much any more. too many people take things the wrong way. i have figured out its better to just talk to people face to face at the tournaments and most people are down to earth enough to listen and talk to. thats what its all about. we wont always agree with each others opinion but we have a chance to state our opinions.

Or perhaps even XSHSGHSGHS(there's that x2, good call)WSEHSWC. That should just about do it.

I thought this was interesting, I am in no way saying that Kansas is inferior to Indiana wrestling, but if you look at the state tournament brackets, and you can at ishaa.com, you will see that not one kid has a losing record, as a matter of fact most of the kids have at least 30 to 40 wins. Just in the 106 lb. bracket, 8 wrestlers have at least 40 wins. The sixteen wrestlers have a combined record of 624 wins and 62 losses, now tell me that wouldn't make for a very competitive and fun weekend of wrestling. Not one kid in any weight class as a losing record.

I think we should all move to Indiana.

I wouldn't mind it too much at least I'd be closer to Indianapolis Motor Speedway aka The Brickyard.

haha that is the only reason I would move there. You got a point there.

haha not only do they eliminate the first round of consolations, if you lose in the second round you have no chance to take third. They do that because they don't want to pay referee's and workers for a long tourney and they can get it done in half the time. That also results in half the cost for facility. It makes for an absolute bogus state tourney though. The only truly accurate placers are first and second. The rest of it is a sham. Please don't try to sell me on Indiana anymore. That is ridiculous.

Beeson I came back to KANSAS last year to unretire, where were you? Do I follow Abilene anymore? No I do not! I do not know any of the kids anymore. I watched my friends boy wrestle every weekend these last two years on track wrestling. He tells me whats going on with Tongi and gives me Abilene and James Stout(he had a really good kid quit this year) updates. My Dad is a Kansas Hall of Fame Wrestling Coach and both my lil brothers and my self wrestled in college. I also live 12 hours away, might have something to do with it. Hope that clears things up for you Beeson.