Ok, let me get this right. On your idea you call COA2. We don't want to disadvantage the kids from the bigger districts number wise. If I read this right we do want to disadvantage the kids who live in the biggest district area wise but have lower numbers? They get to take fewer kids because of where they live. Now how is that fair? Kids don't choose where they live.

Here is another idea, keep the districts supplying their top 4 wrestlers, and if the districts can't supply 4, then take the 5th and 6th place wrestlers out of the other districts and have another tournament to fill what is vacant. Yes that would mean another tournament, but you talk about getting the best kids to state, this would give them more of a chance. And it would give the State tournament 16 kids.

I don't believe it is fair to restrict the numbers based on population, because I have seen all the districts are short in one group or the other, where the others have more. If you look at the high school regionals, is it all the good wrestlers that go or is it the top 4 out of each regional.

My suggestion has flaws, but from what I have read, everyone wants to fill the state brackets to get the best wrestling. I've seen kids that are good from all over, and I feel that the current way of doing districts is also good, but maybe there should an option to fill the state brackets to get as many kids the oppurtunity to go as possible. Since 16 is the limit, why not fill it with the disticts that have more, but do it by having the 5th and 6th placers wrestle for it.

Don Walker
Glasco, Ks

1220 wrestlers in D1; 973 in D3; 850 in D2 and 797 in D4

So you think it is fair and balanced that 1220 wrestlers have to compete for the same amount of spots in the state tourney as 794 kids compete for? It makes no difference where they live, to me if you have 426 more kids competing they should have more spots available. It is called balance. It is not being unfair to anyone, a percentage of the state births, by the percentage of kids competing is by far more fair than the way it sits currently.

Kansas District 2,744,687
.Allen County 1 13,787
.Anderson County 1 8,182
.Atchison County 1 16,804
.Bourbon County 1 14,997
.Brown County 1 10,239
.Cherokee County 1 21,555
.Coffey County 1 8,683
.Crawford County 1 38,222
.Doniphan County 1 7,816
.Douglas County 1 102,914
.Franklin County 1 26,247
.Jackson County 1 13,535
.Jefferson County 1 19,106
.Johnson County 1 506,562
.Labette County 1 22,169
.Leavenworth County 1 73,113
.Linn County 1 9,914
.Miami County 1 30,496
.Neosho County 1 16,529
.Osage County 1 17,150
.Shawnee County 1 172,365
.Woodson County 1 3,572
.Wyandotte County 1 155,750
.Butler County 2 62,354
.Chautauqua County 2 4,109
.Cowley County 2 35,298
.Elk County 2 3,075
.Greenwood County 2 7,338
.Harper County 2 6,081
.Kingman County 2 8,165
.Montgomery County 2 34,570
.Sedgwick County 2 466,061
.Sumner County 2 24,797
.Wilson County 2 9,834
.Chase County 3 3,081
.Clay County 3 8,629
.Cloud County 3 9,759
.Dickinson County 3 19,209
.Ellsworth County 3 6,343
.Geary County 3 24,585
.Harvey County 3 33,843
.Jewell County 3 3,352
.Lincoln County 3 3,411
.Lyon County 3 35,609
.McPherson County 3 29,523
.Marion County 3 12,952
.Marshall County 3 10,405
.Mitchell County 3 6,420
.Morris County 3 6,049
.Nemaha County 3 10,443
.Osborne County 3 4,050
.Ottawa County 3 6,123
.Pottawatomie County 3 19,129
.Reno County 3 63,558
.Republic County 3 5,164
.Rice County 3 10,452
.Riley County 3 62,826
.Russell County 3 6,845
.Saline County 3 53,919
.Smith County 3 4,121
.Wabaunsee County 3 6,919
.Washington County 3 6,009
.Barber County 4 4,958
.Barton County 4 28,105
.Cheyenne County 4 2,946
.Clark County 4 2,283
.Comanche County 4 1,935
.Decatur County 4 3,191
.Edwards County 4 3,292
.Ellis County 4 26,767
.Finney County 4 38,988
.Ford County 4 33,751
.Graham County 4 2,721
.Grant County 4 7,530
.Gray County 4 5,861
.Gove County 4 2,763
.Greeley County 4 1,349
.Hamilton County 4 2,604
.Haskell County 4 4,232
.Hodgeman County 4 2,110
.Kearny County 4 4,516
.Kiowa County 4 2,984
.Lane County 4 1,894
.Logan County 4 2,794
.Meade County 4 4,625
.Morton County 4 3,196
.Ness County 4 3,009
.Norton County 4 5,664
.Pawnee County 4 6,739
.Phillips County 4 5,504
.Pratt County 4 9,496
.Rawlins County 4 2,672
.Rooks County 4 5,351
.Rush County 4 3,406
.Scott County 4 4,600
.Seward County 4 23,274
.Sheridan County 4 2,591
.Sherman County 4 6,153
.Stafford County 4 4,488
.Stanton County 4 2,245
.Stevens County 4 5,412
.Thomas County 4 7,639
.Trego County 4 3,050
.Wallace County 4 1,573
.Wichita County 4 2,309

It gets even more skewed when you look at population. District 1 may be losing even more wrestlers because of the enormity of our numbers. We should be looking to have 700,000 inhabitants in each district.

Mike Juby, can you provide us the card buyer numbers by District? It could be that we could get MORE kids to participate in subs if we make some changes.


1,309,707 District 1 (More than 4 times that of Dist 4!)
661,682 District 2
472,728 District 3
300,570 District 4

I can provide this data by HS enrollment as well.

NOOOOO, it's not! But the answer isn't to give more spots on the bracket to one district or another. And the idea of filling brackets at state via extra kids from one district or another, is pure NONSENSE! What we have to do is re-district. And as soon as District 1 and to a lesser extent District 3 decide re-districting is needed, it will happen.

District 2 and D4 need to get bigger - numbers wise. D1, and to an extent D3, need to shrink based on this year's numbers. D2 takes the four counties in SE Kansas and Woodson from D1. D4 absorbs Russell, Osborn, Smith, Jewell, Mitchell and Lincoln from D3. Reno or Harvey to D2? Osage and Coffey to D3? It's a start to number equality. As someone in D1 I'd hate to see Pittsburg go as they are a great sub site, but if it evens the playing field, I'm all for it.

WOW...But how much tougher can D2 really get?

How much tougher? It can't get much easier in some weights. Picked a random weight - 12u 110. 19 in D1; 5 in D2. 12u 110 is a very common weight. In D2 south 11 of the subs brackets at 12u are round robins - less than 5 guys. Four of the classes have 1 wrestler or less, leaving 6 brackets in the sub. D1 North 12u - 11 are brackets, 9 round robins and just 1 weight (240) does not have a wrestler.

I think Beeson is talking about the quality of kids not the quantity.

Well, since we have many people who like to look up stats, in lieu of Beeson's comment. What are the medal counts from last years state tourney by district?

We're talking numbers and opportunity here, right? Lots of good wrestlers in D3 and D1 won't move on to districts to even have a chance at state. Here's another: D4 North 12u - every wrestler in the sub will move on to districts except 1. At 14u only 5 wrestlers will not move on to districts.

Since you just randomly pullled a weight, the 12U 110 State Champion will be from D2. I would Love to see a medal count. How about the top 10 teams?

Rank
Club Points
1 East Kansas EKWC 197
2 KS Young Guns KYG 185
3 Maize Mze 156
4 Brawlers Btw 124
5 Manhattan Optimist MOKW 111
6 Greater Gold 5428 98
7 Derby Derb 95
8 Ark City AC 91
9 Boos` School Boo 89
10 Salina SAL 80
11 Andover Jaguar Jag 78


6 of the Top 10 were from D2, 2 from D3, 1 from D4 and 1 from D1.
I threw in Andover Jags at 11 just for grunts and giggles.

5 out of the last 8 years the team champion has come from District 1.

NOW for the Rest of the Story. Going Back to 2000 District 2 has won the Kids State Championship 7 times and placed 2nd a majority of the time. District 1 has won 5 State Championships, Paola 3 times and East Kansas has won it 2 times. I don' think D1 has had two teams in the top 10 at the same time. District 4 has won the Kids State Championships once in this time frame. District 2 has dominated the Top 10 each and every year with at least 5 of the top 10 teams coming from D2. I would say that is pretty tough competition for an easy walk to state.

Anybody come up with a Medal Count from last year yet?

Medal count by district would give you a lot better measurement than any team top tens. Anyone have the medal counts by district for the last couple of years?

GOLD MEDAL COUNT ONLY

D1 21

D2 43

D3 23

D4 10

I think this is fairly accurate. It was only a quick count of the Champions.

Okay, Beeson we get your point ya'll have them tough ol $2.00 steaks you feed your kids in D2. In D1 we have Hereford House & the likes of Fogo de Chao (Brazilian Steak House's).

The cattle get a little more tastier in D1. lol. Just fooling with you.

But YES do agree with you that kids these days aren't what their mama's and papa's were. Too much technology & not enough PALEO & Crossfit!

Since Luellen was refering to this years district numbers, i was just wanting to reference last years medal count to get a current snapshot. I think there has been some real progression in D1 quality in the past few years, whether its in h.s. or in kids club. Maybe still not to the level of D2 yet but its coming. Many kids clubs in this area I congratulate for what they are doing. Just to name a few that come to mind and i am sure there are many others. Seaman Jr. Vikes, East Kansas, Ogden Outlaws. D1 is coming fast. Thanks clubs.

Break up District 2!