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Re: 2017-18 All-Class Rankings! [Re: Courtney Horgan] #250156 03/24/18 05:12 PM
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Head to Head should be the tie breaker as it has been in the past, but like it has been said, your ranknings, do what you like. Luellen is tops from my point of view. Good luck in College next year Zaba.


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Re: 2017-18 All-Class Rankings! [Re: Courtney Horgan] #250157 03/24/18 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted By: Courtney Horgan
They are your rankings. You can do whatever you want. But you can no longer argue that they aren't opinion based. This may be why you have been accused of being biased. I never thought those accusations had much merit but now.......


I have never said they are void of opinion. Every single ranking in every sport has various levels of subjectivity. The bias accusations are dwarfed by the positive input that I get.

Reason with me here... At this weight, all four wrestlers have merit to be ranked #1.

#4 Isaiah Luellen, is a 2X state champion and 4X placer. He absolutely belongs in the same conversation as these other three.

#3 Garrett Lange, was an undefeated state champion, a state champion in 2017, a state finalist in 2016 and a USAW Folkstyle All-American.

#2 Jalin Harper, was 2-1 over Wills but lost to him in the finals, was a 2017 state champion and a Fargo All-American.

#1 Triston Wills was rewarded this position by beating #1 Harper on the biggest stage as 2018 state champion and is a 3X state placer.

Courtney, you would have to agree that whomever I placed at #1, could have questions on why they are there. In your example of Lambotte and Millsap, those two wrestlers were #1 and #2 going into RMN! As I stated earlier, those were the exceptions I have used.

In the end, I expected that I couldn't please everyone and had to land somewhere. The Luellen family is as high of character family that I've ever known. It was an amazing encouragement to see Isaiah run the table this year!

All the best to these elite athletes!

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Re: 2017-18 All-Class Rankings! [Re: PatrickCavanaugh] #250158 03/24/18 05:29 PM
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Head to Head should be the tie breaker as it has been in the past, but like it has been said, your ranknings, do what you like. Luellen is tops from my point of view. Good luck in College next year Zaba.



Patrick,

Head to head IS the tie-breaker when there are TWO wrestlers. Add two more to the mix and you have much more to consider!


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Re: 2017-18 All-Class Rankings! [Re: Courtney Horgan] #250159 03/24/18 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted By: Courtney Horgan
A few years back, Lambotte lost to Milsap at RMN. They were not "tied" after the state tournament either. However, the "Final" rankings had Milsap #1. Again, your rankings


As I stated in my earlier post, Lambotte and Millsap were #1 and #2 entering RMN.

My quote from earlier in this thread...

"There have been times that I have tied wrestlers or a 1 vs 2, and have waited until they meet in Denver or the Senior classic."


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Re: 2017-18 All-Class Rankings! [Re: Chief Renegade] #250160 03/24/18 06:07 PM
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Opinion should never overrule head to head wrestling. It don't make a bit of difference who can beat who in any persons mind when its been decided in a fight on the mat. If a wrestler has not lost a match to a lower ranked wrestler and beats your #1 that has lost to your #2 then you rank the wrestler that beat #1 #4 because..... #3 is a very good wrestler?


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Re: 2017-18 All-Class Rankings! [Re: luellen] #250162 03/24/18 06:17 PM
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Ya. Usually i agree with alot of Chieds rankings. This one is not correct. 3 and 4 go undefeated and 4 beat #1 head to head. That really doesn't make much sense. It should probably go Luellen or Lange 1 and 2. Either one is deserving. Wills would be 3 and Harper 4. My opinion based off head to head


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Re: 2017-18 All-Class Rankings! [Re: luellen] #250163 03/24/18 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted By: luellen
Opinion should never overrule head to head wrestling. It don't make a bit of difference who can beat who in any persons mind when its been decided in a fight on the mat. If a wrestler has not lost a match to a lower ranked wrestler and beats your #1 that has lost to your #2 then you rank the wrestler that beat #1 #4 because..... #3 is a very good wrestler?


There is merit to your post. To be clear, I had finalized the All-Class rankings after state. There were no tied wrestlers, nor any #1 v #2 coming up in either RMN or the Senior Classic. I had just not finished the thread with an official announcement yet. I had considered Lange 1, Luellen 2, Wills 3 and Harper 4, but decided to not change the rankings based on a post season tournament unless it met the specific criteria.

I should have finished the official announcement before our trip, to clear all of this up.


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Re: 2017-18 All-Class Rankings! [Re: Chief Renegade] #250169 03/24/18 11:54 PM
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Opinion should never overrule head to head wrestling. It don't make a bit of difference who can beat who in any persons mind when its been decided in a fight on the mat. If a wrestler has not lost a match to a lower ranked wrestler and beats your #1 that has lost to your #2 then you rank the wrestler that beat #1 #4 because..... #3 is a very good wrestler?


but decided to not change the rankings based on a post season tournament unless it met the specific criteria.

I should have finished the official announcement before our trip, to clear all of this up.
I must conclude your specific criteria does not include the results of wrestling matches is whats got me confused


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Re: 2017-18 All-Class Rankings! [Re: luellen] #250170 03/25/18 01:09 AM
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Opinion should never overrule head to head wrestling. It don't make a bit of difference who can beat who in any persons mind when its been decided in a fight on the mat. If a wrestler has not lost a match to a lower ranked wrestler and beats your #1 that has lost to your #2 then you rank the wrestler that beat #1 #4 because..... #3 is a very good wrestler?


but decided to not change the rankings based on a post season tournament unless it met the specific criteria.

I should have finished the official announcement before our trip, to clear all of this up.
I must conclude your specific criteria does not include the results of wrestling matches is whats got me confused


All matches during the 2017-18 season.


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Re: 2017-18 All-Class Rankings! [Re: Chief Renegade] #250171 03/25/18 01:36 AM
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126:
1. Jace Koelzer - OS - 12 - 6A
2. Mason Turner - SCH - 12 - 5A
3. Jayson West - MZS - 12 - 5A
4. Jacob Holt - GC - 10 - 6A
5. Gunnar Murray - WR - 12 - 6A
6. Drew Burgoon - SLC - 11 - 5A
7. Mike Turkali - AND - 12 - 5A
8. Joseph Dennison - BVSW - 11 - 5A
9. Peyton Sadowski - ELD - 12 - 4A
10. Riley McDaniel - FRT - 11 - 4A



Turner finished last year ranked 2nd and Koelzer was 6th, both at 120. How did Koelzer jump him and get the #1 spot on the intermat article? Freestyle results?



In part, yes. Jace is a 6x Fargo AA and a USAW folkstyle AA. His loss at the state tournament last year cost him in that ranking, not this one.


Except when I asked during preseason and you said you took results from out of season to switch Koelzer and Turner. My opinion is you don’t wanna put kids that were included in your Top Seniors article low, which makes sense. Can’t put the D1 commit below a D2 commit. Can’t have the senior you ranked as KS’ #1 recruit second in his own weight class, also behind a D2 commit.

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126:
1. Jace Koelzer - OS - 12 - 6A
2. Mason Turner - SCH - 12 - 5A
3. Jayson West - MZS - 12 - 5A
4. Jacob Holt - GC - 10 - 6A
5. Gunnar Murray - WR - 12 - 6A
6. Drew Burgoon - SLC - 11 - 5A
7. Mike Turkali - AND - 12 - 5A
8. Joseph Dennison - BVSW - 11 - 5A
9. Peyton Sadowski - ELD - 12 - 4A
10. Riley McDaniel - FRT - 11 - 4A



Turner finished last year ranked 2nd and Koelzer was 6th, both at 120. How did Koelzer jump him and get the #1 spot on the intermat article? Freestyle results?



In part, yes. Jace is a 6x Fargo AA and a USAW folkstyle AA. His loss at the state tournament last year cost him in that ranking, not this one.


Except when I asked during preseason and you said you took results from out of season to switch Koelzer and Turner. My opinion is you don’t wanna put kids that were included in your Top Seniors article low, which makes sense. Can’t put the D1 commit below a D2 commit. Can’t have the senior you ranked as KS’ #1 recruit second in his own weight class, also behind a D2 commit.


Of course, the pre-season ranking included all matches prior to that ranking. Why wouldn't they? The purpose of the final All-Class ranking is to have an actual finish line. Once that finish line is drawn, subsequent matches count toward the next season ranking.


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Re: 2017-18 All-Class Rankings! [Re: Chief Renegade] #250296 04/01/18 08:33 PM
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TEAM RANKINGS
1. Goddard - 5A
2. Arkansas City - 4A
3. Olathe North - 6A
4. Washburn Rural - 6A
5. Manhattan - 6A
6. Derby - 6A
7. Valley Center - 5A
8. Maize - 5A
9. Mill Valley - 5A
10. Blue Valley Southwest - 5A


INDIVIDUAL RANKINGS
106:
1. Jason Henschel - GD - 10 - 5A - 43-2
2. Zach Keal - MV - 10 - 5A - 30-10
3. Kendall Beitz - EUR - 11 - 3A - 44-0
4. Cruz Lara - BS - 9 - 4A - 37-5
5. Griffin Baker - AC - 12 - 4A - 34-3
6. Bishop Murray - WR - 9 - 6A - 35-9
7. Kale McCracken - HC - 11 - 6A - 36-8
8. Cason Lindsey - DB - 9 - 6A - 40-7
9. Caden Howard - ONW - 10 - 6A - 40-4
10. Nasir Johnson - WW - 10 - 6A - 21-5

113:
1. Grant Treaster - NEW - 10 - 5A - 36-2
2. Brian Gates - HUT - 12 - 6A - 37-1
3. Kolby Beitz - EUR - 11 - 3A - 34-2
4. Ryan Ware - WEL - 12 - 3A - 34-2
5. Preston Martin - PAO - 10 - 4A - 42-2
6. Tate Sauder - MH - 10 - 6A - 27-15
7. Silas Pineda - GC - 11 - 6A - 29-16
8. Couy Weil - DC - 11 - 6A - 26-14
9. Kai Rhea - HC - 12 - 6A - 35-9
10. Lucas Glover - GD - 10 - 5A - 36-13

120:
1. Keegan Slyter - ON - 10 - 6A - 40-7
2. Michael Spangler - KMC - 12 - 5A - 45-1
3. Brandon Madden - BVSW - 10 - 5A - 38-10
4. Bret Minor - STA - 11 - 5A - 29-5
5. Rhett Edmonson - MCP - 10 - 4A - 35-3
6. Jose Andrade - WSE - 12 - 6A - 31-4
7. Trig Tenant - ARK - 9 - 4A - 29-15
8. Josh Pence - MH - 9 - 6A - 32-13
9. Charles Brockman - SMNW - 11 - 6A - 40-7
10. Zach Strait - CON - 12 - 4A - 25-3

126:
1. Jace Koelzer - OS - 12 - 6A - 44-3
2. Mason Turner - SCH - 12 - 5A - 39-1
3. Gabe Buckbee - ARK - 11 - 4A - 38-8
4. Jacob Holt - GC - 10 - 6A - 40-9
5. Jake Patch - AC - 12 - 4A - 32-8
6. Jared Simma - STA - 9 - 5A - 35-10
7. Jace Fisher - GD - 10 - 5A - 42-15
8. Drew Burgoon - SLC - 11 - 5A - 38-7
9. Mike Turkali - VC - 12 - 5A - 35-11
10. Joseph Dennison - BVSW - 11 - 5A - 38-13

132:
1. Logan Pirl - GD - 12 - 5A - 43-9
2. Aidan Campbell - MZ - 11 - 5A - 45-2
3. Gunnar Murray - WR - 12 - 6A - 27-1
4. Noah Nemer - SPH - 12 - 4A - 39-0
5. Brandon Becker - DB - 12 - 6A - 30-9
6. Jerad Habben - SMNW - 12 - 6A - 42-4
7. Riley Tubbs - WAB - 12 - 3A - 45-3
8. Ryan Johnson - NOR - 12 - 3A - 36-4
9.. Kaden Wren - SC - 10 - 3A - 32-3
10. Gunnar Gentzler - AC - 12 - 4A - 32-6

138
1. Marcus Robinson - ARK - 12 - 4A - 42-4
2. Jevon Parrish - ON - 12 - 6A - 52-2
3. Asiel Flores - WS - 12 - 6A - 35-2
4. Devin Onwugbufor - MZ - 12 - 5A - 19-1
5. Devin Gomez - VC - 10 - 5A - 40-6
6. Brenner Vogan - SS - 12 - 5A - 24-3
7. Kolby Droegemeier - WAB - 12 - 3A - 43-4
8. Luke Richard - RC - 11 - 3A - 41-5
9. Korbin Riedel - TG - 11 - 4A - 43-4
10. Joseph Irwin - LS - 11 - 5A - 41-4

145
1. Jake Beeson - ARK - 12 - 4A - 26-0
2. Conner Ward - MV - 12 - 5A - 40-2
3. Dayton Porsch - HOX - 11 - 3A - 35-0
4. Javier Contreras - ON - 12 - 6A - 38-6
5. Scott Resler - RVS - 12 - 3A - 45-1
6. Kadence Riner - PRT - 11 - 4A - 35-5
7. Malachi Karibo - 10 - WS - 6A - 33-4
8. Cael Johnson - BUR - 10 - 4A - 44-4
9. Dallas Boone - VC - 12 - 5A - 32-8
10. Kaden Jacobson - BL - 10 - 4A - 38-8

152:
1. DuWayne Villalpando - MZ - 10 - 5A - 47-3
2. Bubba Wilson - MH - 11 - 6A - 44-4 -
3. Jarrett Bendure - MV - 12 - 5A - 39-6
4. Montez Robinson - ARK - 11 - 4A - 33-7
5. Cade Lindsey - DB - 11 - 6A - 39-4
6. Scott Radke - MCP - 11 - 4A - 40-4
7. Christopher Ball - HOI - 12 - 44-1
8. Hunter Williams - EMP - 12 - 5A - 40-7
9. Joey Hancock - LV - 11 - 5A - 33-6
10. Trevor Dopps - GD - 10 - 5A - 41-10

160:
1. Triston Wills - DB - 11 - 6A - 38-3
2. Jalin Harper - MH - 12 - 6A - 46-2
3. Garrett Lange - GD - 12 - GD - 5A - 21-0
4. Isaiah Luellen - ROS - 12 - 3A - 23-0
5. Jake Patterson - SH - 12 - 5A - 43-4
6. Jarrett Jurgens - SCC - 12 - 3A - 36-2
7. Jordan Finnesy - PLN - 10 - 3A - 37-3
8. Gavin Cullor - PV - 11 - 4A - 45-4
9. Alex Totta - BV - 11 - 6A - 32-7
10. Chase Ramirez - VC - 12 - 5A - 29-15

170:
1. Troy Fisher - GD - 11 - 5A - 45-0
2. Jon Trowbridge - BL - 12 - 4A - 35-3
3. Terrell Garraway - ON - 12 - 6A - 35-2
4. Zach Porter - COL - 12 - 4A - 37-3
5. Tyler Boone - VC - 12 - 5A - 37-7
6. Wyatt Hayes - SC - 11 - 3A - 39-3
7. Gable Howerton - SL - 12 - 3A - 40-2
8. Sean Urban - HOI - 12 - 3A - 41-2
9. Kevin Mills - KMC - 12 - 5A - 41-9
10. Brycen Schroeder - HC - 11 - 6A - 39-8

182:
1. Austin Andres - GD - 12 - 5A - 43-6
2. Taylon Peters - SLC - 11 - 5A - 40-5
3. Kyle Haas - MZ - 9 - 5A - 48-1
4. Cade Lautt - SJA - 10 - 5A - 42-5
5. Nick Jouret - OS - 12 - 6A - 43-3
6. Trey Hoerner - ABL - 12 - 4A - 32-1
7. Owen Braungardt - WIN - 11 - 4A - 36-4
8. Chance Rodriguez - HOL - 11 - 4A - 37-4
9. Wyatt Pedigo - HOI - 10 - 3A - 38-3
10. Joey Ewalt - PV - 12 - 4A - 45-5

195:
1. Wyatt Hendrickson - NEW - 11 - 5A - 34-1
2. Braden Morgan - ELD - 11 - 4A - 36-1
3. Gavin Ware - CC - 12 - 4A - 34-4
4. Josh Seabolt - CIM - 12 - 3A - 33-0
5. Gavin Carter - WR - 10 - 6A - 30-2
6. Brady Bockover - BC - 11 - 5A - 35-6
7. Anthony Gaona - STA - 12 - 5A - 40-2
8. Cayden Atkins - GD - 11 - 5A - 41-15
9. Dejuan Scott - WH - 12 - 5A - 39-7
10. Cameron Bates - TUR - 11 - 5A - 41-5

220:
1. Cordel Duhart - BVSW - 12 - 5A - 38-0
2. Cameron Hunt - ELD - 12 - 4A - 38-3
3. Caleb Willis - BS - 11 - 4A - 39-2
4. Jackson Flowers - GE - 12 - 6A - 38-5
5. Trenton Willert - GD - 11 - 5A - 40-12
6. Cyle Gautschi - NEW - 12 - 5A - 28-4
7. Qualin Powell - CH - 11 - 4A - 31-6
8. Cole Edwards - AUG - 12 - 4A - 35-6
9. Chris Cox - HOX - 12 - 3A - 31-5
10. Luis Ledesma - GDL - 12 - 3A - 40-4

285:
1. Kasdon Arehart - WS - 12 - 6A - 45-1
2. Tylar Patrick - WAM - 12 - 4A - 42-1
3. Jake Miller - PAO - 12 - 4A - 45-2
4. Kyler Tannahill - HOL - 12 - 4A - 37-6
5. Elliott Strahm - SAB - 11 - 3A - 35-8
6. Avery Hawkins - SC - 12 - 3A - 45-2
7. Evan Darville - DC - 11 - 6A - 40-10
8. Elwin Trejo - LIB - 12 - 5A - 34-7
9. Tony Caldwell - VC - 10 - 5A - 35-10
10. Tylen Wallace - SCH - 12 - 5A - 29-3



2017-18 ALL-CLASS TEAM

106 - JASON HENSCHEL
113 - GRANT TREASTER
120 - KEEGAN SLYTER
126 - JACE KOELZER
132 - LOGAN PIRL
138 - MARCUS ROBINSON
145 - JAKE BEESON
152 - DUWAYNE VILLALPANDO
160 - TRISTON WILLS
170 - TROY FISHER
182 - AUSTIN ANDRES
195 - WYATT HENDRICKSON
220 - CORDEL DUHART
285 - KASDON AREHART



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