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321A Boys Rankings for 2022-23 #257466 11/09/22 03:13 PM
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The 321A Pre-Season Boys Rankings were posted this week.

Keep in mind I have not heard that many weight projections, so these rankings are predominately based off of last year's state tournament results. Also, with the weight class changes we opted to keep wrestlers in the closest corresponding weight class (152 went to 150, 160 went to 157, etc.).

These rankings include last year's 321A programs. I think we'll get official word from KSHSAA in December when Regional assignments are released of which teams have moved down from 4A or moved up in classification.

Please send me any weight projections, injuries, move ins or move outs, etc.

My email is wyatt_bechtel@yahoo.com or you can privately message me on the forum, if you prefer.

Re: 321A Boys Rankings for 2022-23 [Re: Wyatt Bechtel] #257480 11/23/22 03:09 AM
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Re: 321A Boys Rankings for 2022-23 [Re: Wyatt Bechtel] #257493 12/01/22 05:01 PM
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Mac Chambers from Southeast Saline wrestling this year? I figured he would be in the rankings somewhere. He was one match away from placing last year and had beat 157lbs #3 ranked Mitch Budke in a tight match at state last year.

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He's cutting to #175


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Where did Caleb Wise go from Halstead

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Re: 321A Boys Rankings for 2022-23 [Re: Chuck Schremmer] #257496 12/01/22 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by greendog
Mac Chambers from Southeast Saline wrestling this year? I figured he would be in the rankings somewhere. He was one match away from placing last year and had beat 157lbs #3 ranked Mitch Budke in a tight match at state last year.


Originally Posted by Chuck Schremmer
He's cutting to #175


Chambers has been temporarily moved to 190 in the rankings while he makes the move down to 175. He's close to being ranked at 190, even with the move up several weight classes.

Re: 321A Boys Rankings for 2022-23 [Re: Jgreen] #257497 12/01/22 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Jgreen
Where did Caleb Wise go from Halstead


Wise has transferred to Life Prep Academy in Wichita.

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Re: 321A Boys Rankings for 2022-23 [Re: Wyatt Bechtel] #257558 12/23/22 02:29 AM
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The rankings for Dec. 21, 2022 have been posted.

There were a few wrestlers who were removed from the latest rankings because they haven't registered a result. I'd expect several of those wrestlers will be back in January.

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Re: 321A Boys Rankings for 2022-23 [Re: Wyatt Bechtel] #257729 02/23/23 12:02 AM
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Hi, was wondering what determines these rankings? Logan Courtois has pinned the #4 ranked kid at 6a 120, beat the #2 ranked kid at 5a 113, beat #5 ranked 5a 120, pinned the #3 ranked kid at 4a 113 two times, pinned the #4 ranked 4a 113, he's 38-2 with 35 pins. His only kansas loss is the #1 ranked 123a 120 pound kid by 2 points. He pinned his way through regionals. Seems odd he'd only be 6 even though he's going into state as a 1 seed. All year kids have lost and moved around and Logan has just sat at #6. Do you just take into account matches he's wrestled against kids from out west?

This isn't me being judgmental or upset, just curious. Thanks

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I can’t answer your question but I am sure Wyatt can.

But wanted to clarify that there are no seeds at State. Kshsaa draws how Regionals are matched in both Girls Divisions, 4A and 321A and just put the brackets together based on how the draws are so essentially there is no seeding meeting, just a bracket put together by random draw with 1v4 and 2v3 in each quarter from different regionals.


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I only meant that he was one of 4 to place first at regionals to get him a 1 seed going in

Re: 321A Boys Rankings for 2022-23 [Re: Chip] #257735 02/24/23 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Chip
Hi, was wondering what determines these rankings? Logan Courtois has pinned the #4 ranked kid at 6a 120, beat the #2 ranked kid at 5a 113, beat #5 ranked 5a 120, pinned the #3 ranked kid at 4a 113 two times, pinned the #4 ranked 4a 113, he's 38-2 with 35 pins. His only kansas loss is the #1 ranked 123a 120 pound kid by 2 points. He pinned his way through regionals. Seems odd he'd only be 6 even though he's going into state as a 1 seed. All year kids have lost and moved around and Logan has just sat at #6. Do you just take into account matches he's wrestled against kids from out west?

This isn't me being judgmental or upset, just curious. Thanks


The rankings are essentially a weekly seeding meeting. Criteria to start the year is typically:
1. Returning State champion
2. Returning State placer
3. Returning State qualifier
4. If no previous State experience, record the previous season and performance at Regionals
5. If an incoming freshman, past freestyle and youth wrestling performance

As the season starts and matches are wrestled the criteria can then be adjusted to include the following as the most important criteria:
1. Head-to-head
2. Common opponents

Because Courtois is a freshman, he started outside of the rankings, along with fellow freshmen Giancola of Hoxie and Loughrie of Haven. As the season went on Giancola and Loughrie were able to get wins against the three returning State placers in the weight (Juenemann from Oberlin, Johnson from Minneapolis, and Considine from Halstead). Those five wrestlers currently ranked above Courtois have losses to one another or to quality opponents who are ranked in other weights, classifications, or states. Several of those wrestlers also have quality wins against wrestlers from other classifications.

Since Courtois has no head-to-head wins or any common opponents, that I was aware of, he's remained at #6 for the majority of the season. Courtois does have an impressive resume. If this was an All-Class ranking you could certainly make the case to move him above the other wrestlers. He's just had the misfortune of being a freshman with a schedule not allowing for those head-to-head or common opponent criteria to help him move up in the 321A rankings.

I believe any of those top 6 wrestlers at 113 has a chance to be in the finals and win the weight, it is pretty wide open. I'm excited to see the rankings get settled out on the mat the next two days. Best of luck to everyone.

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Good deal, appreciate the in-depth reply.

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